It's pretty good. It sums up how they (along with many others) were duped by Putin. It didn't seem like it was ~54 minutes, it felt much shorter, but I don't know why.

I hope it's a good documentary. Generally everything is anti-Russia.

It's so annoying that I can't get to see or be presented to their point of view and arguments because, God forbids, "Russia propaganda".

Dude their point of view IS Russian propaganda. The only press allowed in Russia is literal kremlin approved news stories and misinformation. Then 1-2 “controlled opposition” stations.

This. A lot of people forget that George W. Bush once called Putin "trustworthy" at the beginning of his term.

Specifically, he said:

>“I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy,” Bush said. “I was able to get a sense of his soul.”

-9 votes. That already says a lot.

You might be surprised that not everyone who is Russian agrees 100% with Russian gov.

And not everyone who opposes to Russian Gov has the divine grace of legitimacy around them. But unfortunately, that is what we are bound to read/watch as western.

Russia’s situation is worse in general, but I don’t see any substantial deviation from the Washington consensus in the mainstream when it comes to whatever the crucial foreign policy topic of the day is. Anything that does deviate is labeled foreign propaganda, and anyone that challenges the narrative - no matter how well credentialed - become persona non grata (Stephen F. Cohen and John Mearsheimer come to mind, but this goes back at least all the way to people like Phil Donahue getting his show cancelled by NBC executives specifically because of his opposition to the Iraq War).

Labeling anything that deviates from the views expressed by the government as “foreign propaganda” is the oldest authoritarian trick in the book, and it’s the norm here.

Whether by pure coincidence or not, the “mainstream” media consensus is the mainstream Washington consensus. You’re not getting objective reporting from them anymore than you could expect to get it from the State Department of intelligence community. You’re getting the American perspective.

Half of my family lives in Russia. I’m not surprised. Opposition to the government doesn’t matter if it literally cannot be broadcast. You’re not proving any point by saying the people don’t agree. So what? It can’t be shown. What happened to nemtsov? Navalny? The skripals? Cmon dude. Think for a second. Putin is one of the biggest deniers of free press on earth, anything that is said on Russian media IS propaganda or controlled opposition, it’s that simple.

Again, you’re simply proving my point. 1. In the west we are actually allowed to read whatever press we want, in Russia they cannot. 2. We actually elect our presidents/leaders and are therefore, by definition, not totalitarian. 3. Russian press IS propaganda. Which, if you had bothered to research anything, would find to be the case.

You couldn’t even bother to read my comment, apparently. What a bad faith interpretation. Really slaying those straw men, though.

I keep forgetting Reddit is not a place for rational discussion on anything related to foreign policy and national security issues.

>Russian press IS propaganda.

Yes, unlike all the mouthpieces of Western media 🤡

These people are absolutely oblivious. It’s incredible to watch. They seem to think that what information warfare means is that our government’s foreign adversaries lie about everything while our government and media just set the record straight with the objective truth and let the chips fall where they may. It’s a level of child-like naïveté that never ceases to amaze me.

Who watches tv anymore

Did I ever say western press didn’t have propaganda? I said we have free range to access everything, whereas your favorite country does not. I also like how you can’t contest Putin being an authoritarian or anything about Russian news because you haven’t researched it, watched it, or understand propaganda when it’s given to you.

>your favorite country

Ah, yes. Anyone who’s critical of the narratives about Russia and the war in Ukraine must surely love Russia. Good call. Hey, remember all those “Ho Chi Minh lovers” protesting the Vietnam War? What about all those piece of shit terrorist sympathizers that objected to drone wars and CIA torture programs? What about all those scumbags who loved Iraq so much they doubted the presence of WMD and urged that we not invade Iraq? Fucking idiots getting duped by Iraqi propaganda.

These people are the worst of the worst, amirite? What kind of evildoer casts doubt on our media and government’s claims about our adversaries?

Traitors all. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

This coming from you who believes totalitarian countries are a great source for news. In the 1940s you’d be saying how actually we should be able to get news from Nazi germany. You are out of your league intellectually. Go to bed

I never once even remotely suggested Russian news isn’t propaganda.

So then you’re arguing nothing and agreeing with me, cool.

If you agree that the American point of view as expressed by our mainstream/corporate media is just propaganda, too - but with a decentralized and privatized veneer - then yes. That was the point I was trying to make the whole time.

Didn’t think I had to clarify that just because I’m saying what we’re getting in our media is an American point of view and far from objective truth doesn’t mean I’m saying Russian news is to be trusted.

Everyone already knows about Russian propaganda. In fact, they’re so sensitive to it that they constantly label anything that deviates from their understanding of these issues as such. Yet most seem inexplicably credulous of the official narratives as told by our government and media here when they simply don’t have a track record of being honest, save for some occasional solid journalism.

Edit: Added a few words for clarity.

Frontline is generally really good but this one is war mongering trash.

Yeah, this one was meh. I don’t think I learned anything new out of this

Turns out he got a "sense of his soul" as he didn't actually have one.

Well, there is plenty of stuff that’s pro-russian, but it will likely be russian propaganda because their media is fully state controlled now

In my country, anyone who didn't follow the narrative were quickly shut down, and excluded from participating. Even the old commies were "forced" (well they have no spine) to support NATO. Otherwise they were basically Nazis.

Russian media like RT was actually quickly banned as well. People who dared support Russia are fined in some countries ("Z" suddenly as bad as swastika). All of our media serves the same western lies about the Ukraine war, lack of insight as to what lies behind so people have no idea what it's about - but they sure hate them russians! (Feels like 1956). Google makes sure to bury any media that doesn't behave, as "misinformation" sites. Same obviously goes for all the other sites westernes use to find information.

So much for freedom.

But oh right, Russia bad!! Putin bad!! 🤡

It's a waste of time.

Putin studied Bush before they met. He knew Bush was a recent "Born Again" Christian, so Putin made up a stupid story about how a cross his grandmother gave him survived through a fire (and possibly war, but I can't remember). And Bush fell for it.

>western lies about the Ukraine war

Can you give some examples?

There are 3 episodes, and for those that don't have a VPN, you can find all 3 at a bay that's inhabited by fellas with an eyepatch, a peg leg, and a parrot on their shoulder. Arrrr, Matey!!

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Why?

Because I’m not aware of any western lies being spread by mainstream media, so I would be curious about what lies you’re talking about.

Haha, ok.

So there are no lies? Or how am I supposed to interpret that?

It's a waste of time.

So why did you post the comment in the first place if you can’t back it up lol?

Run along.

where did you hear this anecdote?

Lol how typical, adopts positions of others without thinking critically for himself, like a sheep.

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Julia Ioffe's interview.

In the documentary posted

I felt like it was too short also. It's fairly interesting the mind games he plays but I wish it went more in depth into that aspect.

thanks!

I watched this last night actually and found it to be extremely interesting. Scary, but it puts a lot of the past 5 years or so into a whole new perspective for me.

There are at least 3 interviews up! Not sure if that's your thing, but I like them.

Where? I clicked on the interviews but there's like 18 of them. Are these extras from the episode or just from the episode?

There's 4 from this episode and a bunch from other Putin Frontline docs. They're on Frontline's YouTube channel. *Edit: And a 5th & possibly 6th interview.

Oh yeah... He knew Merkel had a fear of dogs, so he brought one in, just to make her look weak: https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-merkel-meeting-dog-2017-7

You're free to go on Russian Tass, Ria, etc. Half of the "news" is literally made up bullshit, but that's their perspective...

Ok, Tankie.

Oh ok. I was on Frontline's site and there's a bunch. So far I've only watched the John Beyrle one, it's over an hour long, but it's really good.