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Trains-Planes-2023 t1_je58h8n wrote

https://medium.com/accelerated-intelligence/were-in-a-productivity-crisis-according-to-52-years-of-data-things-could-get-really-bad-5c7e53242a0. That is what happened - and is continuing to happen. I suggest reading that article, not skimming it. It's a lot of info to take in. Also, see https://wtfhappenedin1971.com for more data.

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Iffykindofguy t1_je5h60r wrote

To summarize: We have this unprecedented 50x rise in manual work productivity between 1870 and 1970. Then, at the exact time you’d expect things to have another 50x boost because of the computer revolution, things start slowing down.

Republicans. Republicans happened. They threw out carters fridge and exon decided to abandon all green research and double down on PR actions and lobbying and thats all she wrote.

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voreteks t1_je5d62g wrote

Thank you for the resources—definitely a lot to take in and contemplate. I will be adding these links to my study. Much appreciated 🙏

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alecs_stan t1_je7kz7s wrote

Bruh. I don't even.. Take China in the 70's and take China now. Did they stagnate? This is myopic, because clearly the author isn't stupid. It is beyond me how he cannot understand the wider context that brought the staled productivity in the US.

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Iffykindofguy t1_je5har4 wrote

Holy fuck you have to be fucking kidding me with this shit:

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Bottom line: It is now cool to publicly be against getting more of what you value with fewer and fewer resources. For many, productivity has become a bad word from bad people (wealthy people) from a bad system (capitalism).

Not only are we having a backlash against productivity, but the productivity paradox is also almost completely hidden from day-to-day conversation or news…

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How can someone so stupid and simplistic be shared? His entire argument boils down to "haters gone hate" I hate simps like you. The passive cucks who let the ruling class rape and pilage the world on the false dream that you may one day be one of them.

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Trains-Planes-2023 t1_je5kfjr wrote

Did you read the article? He’s not saying “workers failed to be more productive “. The systemic failure he’s talking about is exactly what you’re talking about.

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Iffykindofguy t1_je5klp8 wrote

Except his solution is all on the individual? How does he not blame you when his solution is directed at you

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voreteks t1_je6035m wrote

stay salty 😝

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Iffykindofguy t1_je6a2vt wrote

Stay on that grind culture, Im sure youll reach 10k subscribers soon.

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voreteks t1_je6grrk wrote

lol — go watch Frasier 📺 cornball

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Iffykindofguy t1_je6hjk8 wrote

So butthurt you dug through my profile?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you dont even have a leg to stand on fam

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Mcflymarty447 t1_je5vkpk wrote

May I suggest the book “where’s my flying car” by J. Stores Hall ?

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voreteks t1_je5w3qf wrote

Thanx McFly! Haven’t read that yet—but will add it to my list 📗

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bogglingsnog t1_je62pt1 wrote

I too was seduced by utopian visions of the future, the problem is that so many have to fly in the face of laws of nature and physics in order to make them possible.

My personal vision is more pragmatic these days, I have thought a lot about what makes capitalism bad and ultimately it is the sacrifices made to the solution in order to sustain the problem so the "solution" can continue to be profitable. Planned obsolescence, weak or fragile material choice, subscription plans to permanent goods, reducing or making repair impossible, and simply making products that don't adequately solve the problem (example: Oxo used to make amazing cooking tools, now half of the stuff I buy from them breaks within the first year of use, forcing me to look elsewhere).

A replicator would be an amazing technology to develop, but physics prevents it from ever being useful. A matter assembler more like what is seen in the book Diamond Age is far more likely to be seen in the future, as it relies on the same principles that make 3D printers practical.

Just because a society is more advanced and has access to more energy, doesn't mean the society will automatically waste more energy. Especially when adopting new technology means using a hundred thousand to a million times more energy to do the same thing as something more primitive (and safer, and lower maintenance!)

I think the most ideal future will be full of low cost, high utility items that everyone can own in the quantities they need to go about their lives, and focus on self development much like Star Trek. We don't need spaceships, sonic showers, holodecks, or replicators to achieve a healthy lifestyle for everyone, especially with increasing automation. Using as little energy as possible means as much energy as possible is available - meaning scarcity is minimized. We have to learn not to fight over the remaining scraps.

The deepest problems for us are societal - we are not distributing the efforts of our labor equally among our people, and that creates a sort of population senescence that reduces the fruits that society produces - we won't find that amazing garage band (or similarly culturally enriching thing) because they are all stuck working 9-5 jobs that society doesn't even need in the first place, instead we could install self-cleaning bathrooms and fully automated fast food and have 1 repairman in place of 30 workers, meaning we have effectively multiplied the productivity by 30x. The wisdom of the older generations should not be wasted on low-skilled jobs they are forced to work instead of retiring (unless they want to work, of course).

We absolutely have to reduce income disparity and take care of those who cannot work. We should house the homeless, heal the sick, and make sure everyone is connected to good people around them so we can all maintain good mental health. I think we can go a long ways towards improving these things with a combination of practical solutions, good design, and stop focusing solely on how much income we're getting from these things.

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voreteks t1_je654uh wrote

You’ve put a lot of thought and heart into your observations. I agree on several points. I appreciate your input and opinion.

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Iffykindofguy t1_je5gtjg wrote

You were sold a lie by capitalism, you bought it and now youre wondering why they havent delivered

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voreteks t1_je5r13e wrote

I wasn’t sold anything. I simply admired the retro-futuristic dreams and portrayals of great visionaries and story tellers—and believe that individuals can come together today to create an oasis of possibility amongst likeminded people.

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Iffykindofguy t1_je5so4u wrote

"I wasnt sold anything. Except the retro-futurisitic dreams and portrayals of great visionaries and story tellers that never existed!"

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voreteks t1_je5vyj4 wrote

How is finding admiration and inspiration in a concept being "sold?"

You're only arguing with yourself bud.

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Iffykindofguy t1_je5wjub wrote

Well when that concept is a lie used to keep you from realizing how your community is being robbed...

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And I agree were not arguing, youre so far out of your depth you should be thanking me for even bothering.

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voreteks t1_je5y94k wrote

who hurt you 😢

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Iffykindofguy t1_je69xz5 wrote

No one, because of the privileges I experience in this broken system I have the access and free time to see it for what it is.

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