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Iffykindofguy t1_je5gtjg wrote

You were sold a lie by capitalism, you bought it and now youre wondering why they havent delivered

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Iffykindofguy t1_je5h60r wrote

Replying to Trains-Planes-2023 (#2,448,979)

To summarize: We have this unprecedented 50x rise in manual work productivity between 1870 and 1970. Then, at the exact time you’d expect things to have another 50x boost because of the computer revolution, things start slowing down.

Republicans. Republicans happened. They threw out carters fridge and exon decided to abandon all green research and double down on PR actions and lobbying and thats all she wrote.

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Iffykindofguy t1_je5har4 wrote

Replying to Trains-Planes-2023 (#2,448,979)

Holy fuck you have to be fucking kidding me with this shit:

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Bottom line: It is now cool to publicly be against getting more of what you value with fewer and fewer resources. For many, productivity has become a bad word from bad people (wealthy people) from a bad system (capitalism).

Not only are we having a backlash against productivity, but the productivity paradox is also almost completely hidden from day-to-day conversation or news…

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How can someone so stupid and simplistic be shared? His entire argument boils down to "haters gone hate" I hate simps like you. The passive cucks who let the ruling class rape and pilage the world on the false dream that you may one day be one of them.

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voreteks t1_je5r13e wrote

Replying to Iffykindofguy (#2,450,656)

I wasn’t sold anything. I simply admired the retro-futuristic dreams and portrayals of great visionaries and story tellers—and believe that individuals can come together today to create an oasis of possibility amongst likeminded people.

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Mcflymarty447 t1_je5vkpk wrote

May I suggest the book “where’s my flying car” by J. Stores Hall ?

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Iffykindofguy t1_je5wjub wrote

Replying to voreteks (#2,453,667)

Well when that concept is a lie used to keep you from realizing how your community is being robbed...

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And I agree were not arguing, youre so far out of your depth you should be thanking me for even bothering.

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bogglingsnog t1_je62pt1 wrote

I too was seduced by utopian visions of the future, the problem is that so many have to fly in the face of laws of nature and physics in order to make them possible.

My personal vision is more pragmatic these days, I have thought a lot about what makes capitalism bad and ultimately it is the sacrifices made to the solution in order to sustain the problem so the "solution" can continue to be profitable. Planned obsolescence, weak or fragile material choice, subscription plans to permanent goods, reducing or making repair impossible, and simply making products that don't adequately solve the problem (example: Oxo used to make amazing cooking tools, now half of the stuff I buy from them breaks within the first year of use, forcing me to look elsewhere).

A replicator would be an amazing technology to develop, but physics prevents it from ever being useful. A matter assembler more like what is seen in the book Diamond Age is far more likely to be seen in the future, as it relies on the same principles that make 3D printers practical.

Just because a society is more advanced and has access to more energy, doesn't mean the society will automatically waste more energy. Especially when adopting new technology means using a hundred thousand to a million times more energy to do the same thing as something more primitive (and safer, and lower maintenance!)

I think the most ideal future will be full of low cost, high utility items that everyone can own in the quantities they need to go about their lives, and focus on self development much like Star Trek. We don't need spaceships, sonic showers, holodecks, or replicators to achieve a healthy lifestyle for everyone, especially with increasing automation. Using as little energy as possible means as much energy as possible is available - meaning scarcity is minimized. We have to learn not to fight over the remaining scraps.

The deepest problems for us are societal - we are not distributing the efforts of our labor equally among our people, and that creates a sort of population senescence that reduces the fruits that society produces - we won't find that amazing garage band (or similarly culturally enriching thing) because they are all stuck working 9-5 jobs that society doesn't even need in the first place, instead we could install self-cleaning bathrooms and fully automated fast food and have 1 repairman in place of 30 workers, meaning we have effectively multiplied the productivity by 30x. The wisdom of the older generations should not be wasted on low-skilled jobs they are forced to work instead of retiring (unless they want to work, of course).

We absolutely have to reduce income disparity and take care of those who cannot work. We should house the homeless, heal the sick, and make sure everyone is connected to good people around them so we can all maintain good mental health. I think we can go a long ways towards improving these things with a combination of practical solutions, good design, and stop focusing solely on how much income we're getting from these things.

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alecs_stan t1_je7kz7s wrote

Replying to Trains-Planes-2023 (#2,448,979)

Bruh. I don't even.. Take China in the 70's and take China now. Did they stagnate? This is myopic, because clearly the author isn't stupid. It is beyond me how he cannot understand the wider context that brought the staled productivity in the US.

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