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just-a-dreamer- t1_jcz8jaj wrote

All jobs can be done by machines eventually.

You should asked who gets canned first? White collar work in accounting, costumer service, law, coding would be my bet so far.

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augustulus1 t1_jczc3j4 wrote

Machines can't make handcrafted items, otherwise they wouldn't be considered as handcrafted.

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Longjumping-Tie-7573 t1_jcze39m wrote

Oh, that's simply an issue of programming some degree of latitude into the robot's parameters, and 'randomizing' them.

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augustulus1 t1_jczev8w wrote

Nope. Definition of 'handcrafted' by Cambridge Dictionary: made using the hands rather than a machine. Machines can't do handcrafted items, just randomized factory items.

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Longjumping-Tie-7573 t1_jd026hm wrote

Yeah, 'AI doesn't meet the semantics of having actual meat hands' isn't the argument you're thinking it is, mate.

ESPECIALLY when that argument really ends with 'yet'.

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augustulus1 t1_jd35mwm wrote

If somebody wants to buy a specific human made item, he or she wouldn't be satisfied by a perfect machine made replica, right? For example, if I want an original Salvador Dali painting on my wall, I won't buy a replica, however perfect it is, and however it seems to be a mere semantic question.

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Longjumping-Tie-7573 t1_jdv3jb6 wrote

And I'm telling you there's already a point - for some products - where you as a consumer already can't tell the difference and the only difference you're choosing between is what you're told about the product and not the product itself. With continued advancement of AI and robotic manufacturing there will absolutely be a point where being told it's hand-made will be the only way you'd know.

So what are you gonna do when nobody tells you?

And frankly, your example of a Dali painting is a laughably bad example since the art world is absolutely cancerous with fakes that aren't even made with the exactitude robots can achieve. Just by bringing that example up you're abandoning your entire argument, so far as I'm seeing.

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augustulus1 t1_jdv9y95 wrote

"So what are you gonna do when nobody tells you?"

I would ask if it is original or not.

Are you aware that you are apologetic towards criminal behavior? The law must pursue this kind of fraudulent activity and advanced AI will provide a very potent and powerful tool for this. I am absolutely sure there will be AI-powered detectors, which will be able to tell if an item is original or not.

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Enough_Island4615 t1_jd078cv wrote

Nope. It's moot. AI will be authoring the Cambridge Dictionary.

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augustulus1 t1_jd34o0e wrote

It doesn't matter, because the definition is universal, not depending on dictionaries.

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Enough_Island4615 t1_jd3thwt wrote

Nope. There is nothing intrinsic about a definition.

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augustulus1 t1_jd4kmck wrote

Yes, there is. Even if you alter the definition, the same time it splits into two concepts. If you change the meaning of "handcrafted" into something like "created randomly either by machines or humans", you just create an other concept. So, now you have a category of "handcrafted items" which has two subcategories: machine made and man made. The latter obviously can't be produced by machines.

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat this action, because every time a new definition will be born. It's not possible to erase a concept from existence, therefor there will always be stuffs which, by definition, can't be made by machines.

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Orcus424 t1_jczfkz4 wrote

When we get true AI I have no doubt our robotics technology will be a lot more advanced by that point. Majority of people aren't going to really care if it's handcrafted. Plus a lot of stuff is sold every single day that says it was handcrafted when it was machine made.

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augustulus1 t1_jczlx3b wrote

Some people do care. Rolex watches are hand-assembled. Yes, you can produce an infinite amount of cheap, factory made fake Rolex watches, but that is forgery (illegal), and wealthy people won't touch it. If you are poor, and want to seem to be a wealthy person, you may go for the replica. But if you are really wealthy, you definitely go for the original, handcrafted watches.

"Then they CAN do the job, they’re just not allowed to" Yeah, just like machines are able to make fake banknotes, just not allowed. And that is good.

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swedish-inventor t1_jczx69l wrote

I know a lot of people that really don't have the skills to make handcrafted items, so might they in reality be undercover robots?! Will prick them tomorrow and see if they bleed hydraulic fluid.... =)

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