belligerentunicorn1 t1_j2cecbf wrote on December 31, 2022 at 5:08 AM

Reply to comment by jelloslug in Green Hydrogen - Not The Fuel Of The Future by Realistic-Plant3957

I don't want an EV. Filling up a tank sounds more efficient. Just blaming oil companies seems like a lazy attack.

jelloslug t1_j2cggup wrote on December 31, 2022 at 5:28 AM

I would much rather it be full when I leave home or work every day. That much more convenient than having to go someplace specific to fill up.

belligerentunicorn1 t1_j2cgskf wrote on December 31, 2022 at 5:31 AM

You must not have a job or need to do much more than commute a couple miles. I might think an EV is OK for short trips around town, but it doesn't work for real work that requires long distance and hauling.

jelloslug t1_j2ch15n wrote on December 31, 2022 at 5:33 AM

I have had various EVs since 2013 and have put hundreds of thousands of miles on them since then. It’s not 2010 where charging takes half a day and is impossible to find for road trips.

belligerentunicorn1 t1_j2chx9x wrote on December 31, 2022 at 5:42 AM

I don't argue for short trips. Do you tow a trailer or carry equipment / tools? Do you travel for more than 5 hours in a time critical manner?

Psychomadeye t1_j2d0rw2 wrote on December 31, 2022 at 9:32 AM

I travel back and forth from Boston to Toronto in an EV taking about ten hours and as many dollars in fuel.

jawshoeaw t1_j2cnxes wrote on December 31, 2022 at 6:47 AM

It’s not lazy it’s accurate when it comes to hydrogen. The only cheap source of hydrogen is methane right now. Once solar and wind power are built out to the point we have surplus electricity then you can start making hydrogen essentially for free via electrolysis. But until then petroleum companies are going to do what companies do: lie cheat and steal to stay in business.

belligerentunicorn1 t1_j2coana wrote on December 31, 2022 at 6:51 AM

You forget nuke. Seems like building on a strong base is a better plan. Solar / wind can never be base. Battery tech is dirty in the supply chain.

Aviation might actually make hydrogen work, doubt the battery tech is going to solve for larger applications.

Being blinded by anti-oil bias is going to result in suboptimal solutions.

jawshoeaw t1_j2cosd4 wrote on December 31, 2022 at 6:57 AM

I could see nuclear powered hydrogen generators yeah. Batteries do have some dirty components but they are finding ways around them. And lithium may someday be sourced more cleanly, and if we’re dreaming , from seawater . I’m excited about lithium - sulfur (that’s still in the lab ). But right now they are already starting to build iron batteries and iron salt flow batteries for grid scale storage , and if they live up to the hype I could see wind/solar finally scale up to base load.