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lysergic101 t1_j4pueqf wrote

Unless Google go back to the good old days when they actually served up good search results instead of adverts then I believe the impact on Google could be massive.

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LogicalManager t1_j4pve40 wrote

Seriously. I’ve been a Google user since the 90’s. Last week I switched to querying ChatGpt because it’s far better in format and relevance.

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deeeznotes t1_j4qp9re wrote

is that just using bing or is chatgpt somewhere else?

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Poncho_au t1_j4uvrsl wrote

It an openai.com website. It’ll be probably your first link in google.

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KodjoSuprem t1_j4tzglc wrote

Chatgpt will be even better to serve us ads and sponsored content, since we do not criticize the AI answer

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AadamAtomic t1_j4pw93m wrote

>Unless Google go back to the good old days when they actually served up good search results

They are already working their own EXTREAMLY powerful A.I for that reason.

ImaGEN asking Google to show you a 3D model of what tiger sharks look like, accompanied by correct photos and information without links.

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Sidivan t1_j4q8u6r wrote

This is actually kind of scary. That’s another level of trust.

Currently, when you search for something, you’re looking for content related to your search. These are independent sources, for better or worse, that you can validate based on their merits. For instance, if I search for information about tigers, I can likely trust WWF, Britannica, etc… but if I search for that and AI generates that info, I don’t have any insight into the source. I have to trust that the AI returned accurate, reliable information.

If AI generates a tiger 3D model that has something obvious like 2 tails, that would raise a mental alarm only because you know they do not. What if you didn’t know that? What if instead of two tails, it just made the black stripes too thick, leading you to believe they aren’t as orange? Would you notice that?

Interesting times when we rely on AI generated content as fact.

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Adognamedbingo t1_j4rdru4 wrote

This is the issue I feel like people ignore when it comes to LLMs.

Yeah it’s without a doubt impressive how it generates sentences and content, but if you’re not very familiar with the subject of a question you don’t know if the answer is “correct”.

So if something like ChatGPT should take the place of a search engine it would still need to tell you where it has the info from.

And then how big of a difference is it then from what we currently have.

Another thing that I rarely see discussed is why would anyone create content if they don’t get any visibility/customers from their content and the model just gives an answer without any credit to the actual creator?

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Sidivan t1_j4rgjox wrote

That’s a good point about content creation. The way we monetize content today is by consumption. The model measures traffic and assigns value to it. If AI is going to serve up all that content in the form of it’s own content creation, who gets paid? Does everybody it references or considers get a slice? In the above example about tigers, does every single one of the millions of photos it referenced get paid or are they simply inspiration? This battle for revenue is happening right now with visual artists and AI art.

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ddaaddyyppaannttzz t1_j4rrax7 wrote

I agree 100% with this major issue. I did a ChatAI search on topics I know lots about (research and expertise) and it brought back some useful and correct information but also some false info from probably dubious sources We can’t put too much trust in this tech with out knowing the source of the info At least with a search engine you can skip the known suspect sources or at least read and compare the sources. Right now people are putting too much trust in ChatAI and similar, that should change with time (i hope)

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zenzukai t1_j4t71oi wrote

I can ask the AI for the sources. I've been able to validate sources by querying for some.

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ChainSwordCS t1_j4pwfd0 wrote

new google ai to serve me up even more manipulative advertising than ever before 😊

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ninjasaid13 t1_j4rg9kn wrote

>ImaGEN asking Google to show you a 3D model of what tiger sharks look like, accompanied by correct photos and information without links.

I wonder how they're going to add Adverts in that? Are you going have to watch a 30 second commercial everytime you generate a picture? Is the generator going to randomly generate an ad when you asked for something else?

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AadamAtomic t1_j4ri658 wrote

Capitchas to farther train the A.I to act human, like they already do.

Most people use ad blocks.

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deeeznotes t1_j4qolmp wrote

its the internet, no one is going to ask google for a lion....

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AadamAtomic t1_j4qps3k wrote

Bruh....

They're already millions of websites for 3D models...art, video games, projects, 3D printing in general.

Its the internet...YOU just don't know what to do with it yet.

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deeeznotes t1_j4qvkqz wrote

Yes I do! show me 3D models of bewbs!

Edit: and I am not your bruh..... bruh.

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abrandis t1_j4qgprr wrote

Exactly this, they rely too much on those ads to satisfy Wall st. That's why they're treading cautiously because if you give users a system that provides near perfect answers and they don't go around clicking a bunch of links it kinda breaks you're business model.

I see this as a Kodak Digital vs. Kodak film crossroads, do you create a better search at the expense of ad revenue, because someone will.

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cartoonzi OP t1_j4pujpv wrote

I think ChatGPT is putting some much-needed pressure on them to re-evaluate their priorities of serving ads vs serving users like us

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fox-mcleod t1_j4qj5wm wrote

Google hasn’t really changed. The internet has — because of google.

The internet is worse now. There are more content farms and SEO designed to fuck with the algorithm.

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Internauta29 t1_j4qm7in wrote

Maybe it's because of all the adblockers I have, but I don't feel this issue while using Google's search engine on Firefox.

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awhhh t1_j4rjmdf wrote

It’s not totally Google’s fault. People try and game search rankings by building entire sites towards them. Affiliate marketers and other SEO degens did their darnedest to fuck it up and keep Google switching algorithms

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cartoonzi OP t1_j4qb0fm wrote

The premise of the article is that ChatGPT combined with Bing will help Google see how people use, misuse, and if they will pay for a chatbot search engine while taking none of the risk. If chatbots are the future of search, Google will release a better version of it. They have the most reliable search engine after all

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