bigbluedoor t1_j5p978p wrote
honestly don’t love that vast swaths of the state are privately help like this. the land owners could do some really gnarly stuff if they wanted with little we could do to stop them
terminalE469 t1_j5pa5i0 wrote
im jealous of people out west that have greater access to atv and snowmobile trails because their access to them doesn’t hinge on the schedules and whims of logging companies.
Azr431 t1_j5r90tj wrote
lol not even close to reality. The logging/paper product companies out west were always amenable to outdoorsmen. As they sold off parcels to private land owners, many of those private owners have closed off access in many ways. Look up the Wilkes brothers from Texas and the shit they’ve done in Idaho
terminalE469 t1_j5rgkp4 wrote
i meant public land but yeah. we have those assholes here too
Azr431 t1_j5t3wd2 wrote
Ah yeah, the public lands out west are great
hike_me t1_j5s9u6i wrote
They’re talking about federal land (like BLM, National Forests, National Recreation Areas, etc). Out west hunting, ATVing, snowmobiling, etc is generally done on federal land. BLM generally allows more permissive use (like jeep trails and boondocking)
hyzerflip207 t1_j5pc5ai wrote
That’s not true. They need to follow regs just like everyone else.
enjoiart t1_j5pon57 wrote
Yes they follow the laws that they want to. The rest they will circumvent, like clear cutting laws.
Hockeyjockey58 t1_j5q7b0a wrote
FWIW, when you cross the border up there, the Northwoods opens up to farmland. Privately held land is sometimes part of the conservation equation. The fact that Irving makes its money in forestry is mainly why the Northwoods stays as woods.
hike_me t1_j5qc2dg wrote
The land that was suitable for agriculture was cleared and developed as such. That’s where potatoes are grown in northern Maine.
When Maine sold off vast tracts of state held forestland, they assumed the timber barons would clear it and then sell it off to homesteaders. Turns out it was shitty farmland so that didn’t happen.
As you go even farther north into Quebec you eventually arrive at the St Lawrence valley, which has good farmland.
Volator t1_j5r3hzu wrote
It's the best part of the state. And they let the public use it (for a small fee in the NMW). It's a great resource. If the state owned it they'd never log it, the roads would get all f-d up and it would be useless.
marrymejojo t1_j5rxvs8 wrote
How else would it be held? Honest question. I mean we have parks. Public land. It's hard fought land though. Tje majority of land will be private owned.
hike_me t1_j5sabhl wrote
Out west a huge percentage of wilderness / undeveloped land is federally owned. Over 60% of Utah is federal public land, over 80% of Nevada, 45% of California, 52% of Oregon, etc
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