Try an agency.

How else would it be held? Honest question. I mean we have parks. Public land. It's hard fought land though. Tje majority of land will be private owned.

Agreed I do it for a flat section of my roof and it's kind of satisfying to watch all that snow tumble off.

I have a porch like that and I rake the snow off. I dunno if i need to but it makes me feel better.

Ice dams happen with leaky roofs right? I used to roof rake until i had my attic insulated. I don't need to now except on tha back I have a flat section off the back of my house. I've been raking that. It's not the snow I'm worried about but its like you said. Snow and then rain.

I kind of think of roof raking to be important for low pitches or uninsulated attics. If you a have buttoned up attic and a normal pitched roof then I don't think you need to do anything.

If you have icicles, you should roof rake

Reminds me of my sump pump. That's officially double backed up.

I guess for heat/cooking. A wood stove and some wood is good for a single backup.

Idk what happened to OPs generator and i'm saying this is it... but I feel like that's a thing where folks get into trouble, just like not running them every so often and changing oil every year.

Market basket has Pete and Garry's dozen for like 3.50. They are medium eggs but I don't really notice the Size difference

I do like lamb though. I've been thinking about the logic a but more and I guess my question would be why is it called cottage pie then. Wouldn't it be called like ranchers pie? Or cattle herders pie?

Good point.

Except no one here calls it that. You know how in some places people call the same things by different names? Yeah it's kind of like that. You are not going to get an entire region of the world to start calling something different.

Both of those top recipes are Marjorie standish

That's called peashinsh pie I think. How dare you call that Shepherds pie.

This region generally refers to shepherds pie as being made with beef. Have the distinction you have. That's fine. But it doesn't change what we call shepherds pie. No one needs to fight. It's just different parts of the world having different definitions

I've heard it called that as well. Interesting to see some of the explanations for it!

That makes sense. I almost feel like the term "cottage pie" was just invented by the "you can't call that Shepherds pie crowd". That makes sense your mom said that. I think the name and the recipe changed in the US or at least in the northeast. Obviously because we don't have lamb, we have beef.

Yeah I agree. When made you the way it's described it's not great. I'll still eat it with loads of ketchup though.

I agree the way you describe the ingredients sounds shit. But one can always use better versions of those ingredients and it will be better. Albeit still just shepherds pie!

I'm not arguing the dish is good although I like it :)

Just that the beef/lamb debate is dumb.

Yeah that's not right. Agreed!

I live alone in a 900 Sq ft house. My electric bill is around $70 a month. In the summer it doubles because of two window AC units.

I don't have heat pumps, my hot water is natural gas.

Oh so it's Gordon Ramsey that started the ridiculousness. That makes sense.

On a side note... I used to work at the navy base cafeteria in brunswick and all the navy folks would call it beef corn pie when we had it. Even though we called it shepherds pie in the kitchen. Good times.

The serious eats version is great.

Reddit will be quick to point out that "shepherds pie" made with beef is in fact "cottage pie". And that Shepherds pie must be made with lamb.

Forget that fact that vast areas of the country make it with beef and call it shepherds pie. I decided to look through my collection of maine and new England cookbooks to confirm what I already new. That indeed, people call the same thing by different names sometimes depending on geographical location. Shocking I know.

I'm going to continue to call my shepherds pie made with beef by the name... shepherds pie. Because otherwise no one is going to know what the hell I am talking about.

They are fine but there are plenty made in maine. Maine family farms, shields, bean and sons.

I feel like I heard about this like 2 months ago.

But they must still have a "flower" like structure for the pollin to land on. Even if it's like not an obvious thing.

It has me thinking, if we did have a state flower what would it be?

My vote is stinking Benjamin.