Submitted by ExpiredDeodorant t3_11th5nn in MechanicalKeyboards
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laffeybunn t1_jcj9vfg wrote
It's been this way forever
Big-Highlight1106 t1_jcjbx81 wrote
Next is that pe foam with flex cuts pcb LOL
Objectonmydesk t1_jcjgd62 wrote
My Ginkgo65 pro order takes this meme personally.
LASERman71 t1_jcjlza7 wrote
Yes noticed, but for a big fan of pinkie blocker I like this trend.
WannaGetShreddedBruh t1_jcjtn7q wrote
This might be a stupid question, but what is a blocker?
PencilcasePenetrator t1_jcjuapi wrote
Want to know too! My guess is that's what spaces the arrow Keys from the Rest
ZobeidZuma t1_jcjzfnd wrote
AFAIK a blocker fills out the extra space where the Win/Cmd/Super key would be on a winkeyless layout. Because having one less key to use is cool somehow.
Floatingwalrusman t1_jcjzjvj wrote
Its been like this for the past 3 years.
M44t_ t1_jcjzw33 wrote
I have a kbd67 and I think it is the plastic thing in the bottom row separating the FN key and the left arrow (in my case)
mintnoises t1_jck0eom wrote
This is the correct answer.
As to why? Everyone has their own reason whether that be aesthetics, not hitting the win key accidentally, not having a need for it, etc
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SpankMFlank t1_jck83yj wrote
SpankMFlank t1_jck87g4 wrote
Ugh. Can't stand typing on a trampoline.
shaggys6skin t1_jck8lf7 wrote
Don’t come at me like that, bro.
Saundotorakku t1_jck9v1g wrote
Well it’s either that or some of us will just disable the windows key. I’d rather just not have it at all if possible.
Swing_Top t1_jcka1pd wrote
Somehow people do it... but I use the windows key many many times per day.
comepinga666 t1_jcka8k0 wrote
Yeah at this point group buys are just providing exit liquidity for scammers like Rama, keycult, etc
BevinMaster t1_jckbptb wrote
Seing more Symmetrical WKL 65 would be nice imo, more choices 👌
clothing_throwaway t1_jckdoqs wrote
Same, but I like the way WKL looks. I'm considering getting one and just remapping a button I don't use, like right Alt or Ctrl or something, for Windows key.
HypotheticalRicotta t1_jcke30c wrote
What do you do if you need that key? Do you map capslock to super? Also, what operating system do you use?
I've been curious about this. I'm not on windows but couldn't make the switch because I still need all three modifiers for various shortcuts in the software I work in everyday.
Saundotorakku t1_jckeuw5 wrote
I primarily use windows and have only ever accidentally used the Windows key. On the keyboards I use that have the key, I remap it to play/pause my music player.
If you need to use the function of that key and are using a WKL, you could just map it to your second layer in VIA on another key.
Or swap to another keyboard that has one 😉
fmtech_ t1_jckf8ih wrote
But the chimera is coming back
sadmanh t1_jckfc9z wrote
do gaskets really mean anything? My keychron has those foams and I even put in the extra ones they gave and I can't tell the difference.
ZobeidZuma t1_jckfyup wrote
If you are on a Mac, you need that key, since the Mac uses Command (⌘) for most of the same shortcuts that other operating systems use Control for. But, the Mac also uses the Control key for its traditional purposes on the command line.
If you are on Linux, historically it doesn't use the Super key for anything, although some distros have recently started using it to call up the main system menu. Which I think is a huge mistake, and I disabled that function on my system! I like to use Super as a modifier for all my own global shortcuts, like workspace and window management. It shouldn't conflict with any shortcuts in applications.
On Windows. . . Well, I guess you need that functionality somewhere on your keyboard, but I think the bottom row is an awful place for it. I'd remap it to somewhere else if at all possible. Or maybe there's another key combo that will do the same function, but I dunno, I don't use Windows much.
InsertDisc11 t1_jckgteo wrote
well ye...hence the post
GL1TCH3D t1_jckgwzx wrote
I've definitely become more and more of a fan of the windows key. Loving Win+Shift+S
I could use AHK and just bind the shortcut to something else since I use it so much, but there are other things I use winkey for anyway which would force me to rebind the windows key and at that point, why have a WKL.
arock0627 t1_jckivse wrote
Keychron gives you replacements, why did you put those on?
PencilcasePenetrator t1_jckj07x wrote
BlackMoth27 t1_jckjb8f wrote
>not having need for it
only applies for using the default layout. You can use the win key for anything if you have qmk, having it act as function is nice.
sadmanh t1_jckjc00 wrote
I recall seeing on a review somewhere the extras are for if you want it even more soft. It's not that I don't like the way it is right now, just don't feel much of a difference from having the foam gaskets.
arock0627 t1_jckjgpj wrote
Have you ever typed on a non-gasket mounted metal keyboard?
Starts to physically hurt after a while.
LevanderFela t1_jckjzhm wrote
Caps Lock to Windows key, and put Caps in 2nd layer?
adamant_onion t1_jckkyaz wrote
This is the way
Swing_Top t1_jcklu0p wrote
Wouldn't have considered that! Nice idea, it's there but yes, when does it actually get used.
LevanderFela t1_jcklypv wrote
It's HHKB inspired, their layout has Control instead of Caps Lock
santokie_eethie t1_jckm26z wrote
And I love it
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phatitt t1_jckpdfb wrote
As does my Array Polycarbonate order
phatitt t1_jckpri8 wrote
More please!
sadmanh t1_jckqjqm wrote
yeah I used to have a Logitech before
arock0627 t1_jckqqr9 wrote
Logitech isn't all metal. It's plastic and metal.
I mean like a 4 pound block of aluminum like an NK65
sadmanh t1_jckr5ue wrote
yeah maybe the difference is just very subtle. I was using a G513 and I'm pretty sure the keys are mounted on a plate of aluminium, the rest of the keyboard was probably plastic.
arock0627 t1_jckrgqt wrote
Yeah the rest of the KB is the thing here. Plastic has flex. I typed on Logitechs and know that they feel fine.
I had an NK65 for about 2 years and it would just hurt my fingertips after a while of use, because I bottom out and the keys would slam on an unmoving block of aluminum.
Think of it like tapping your fingers fairly hard on your desk top for 6 hours straight.
Pacifica0cean t1_jcksc3x wrote
Putting extra gaskets on increases the perceived hardness of the gaskets. If you want as bouncy as possible you want as little gaskets as you can get away with.
HypotheticalRicotta t1_jcksqkz wrote
That's pretty interesting. I would have assumed that the key would be pretty important to windows, but if it's basically reserved for the start menu and hardly ever used for shortcuts I can definitely see that being annoying. On a mac it's a 2-key combo to do what the win key does on windows, so you're never worried about accidental clicks.
ReaperofFish t1_jcktpak wrote
I the case of a 65% (or 75%) there is only 3u between a 6.25u space bar and the arrow keys. So you can either have two 1.25u (normal sized) modifiers and have .5u of space left over, have 3 1u modifiers, or 2 1.5u keys. If you opt just two 1.25u keys, you need a blocker to fill that empty space.
It is mostly a matter of aesthetics though cap compatibility could play a role.
qhacim t1_jcku2jb wrote
ReaperofFish t1_jckuofc wrote
On Linux, the Windows key is a meta, and often gets bound to similar shortcuts that you would use on Windows in most Desktops.
Yoosulis t1_jckv8d3 wrote
Sorry, but I want a TKL gasket mount WKL with F13 please!
ReaperofFish t1_jckvp9e wrote
I like it, but like everything else in this hobby, it comes down to preference. I tend to prefer a hard bottom out. Probably related to my preference for tactile switches.
martialar t1_jckvum0 wrote
I thought there was some backlash against flex cuts because of the supposed affect on sound
DiplomacyPunIn10Did t1_jckwcsf wrote
65% blockers don't generally remove the Windows key. They're either badge-style blockers in the top right of the board, or they're near the arrows.
Occasionally you'll see a WKL-style blocker on the left, but that's not as common as what the meme would be pointing to.
Also, with QMK, it's really easy to put the Windows key somewhere else.
DiplomacyPunIn10Did t1_jckwo2b wrote
That's one type of blocker, and it's less common in 65% layouts. It's not about having "one less key" so much as following an older IBM-inspired keyboard layout. Vintage-esque fashion, if you will.
For 65s, though, the blockers are usually either immediately to the left of the arrows or at the very top-right.
DiplomacyPunIn10Did t1_jckx4hb wrote
They can definitely make a difference, but it's just one piece out of many things that impact the sound and feel of a keyboard. Simply sticking a bit of rubber in between the plate and the case may not have much impact at all if there's still no wiggle room for the plate.
Big-Highlight1106 t1_jckxi00 wrote
That’s why it’s pretty daring now, especially with the foam hate today
0cular t1_jckzu9e wrote
I'm just sitting here waiting for an Apollo 80 rerun or a Mode 80 restock 🤡
Eicr-5 t1_jcl01pb wrote
I’ve seen this response a bunch here. You are definitely correct. When talking about a blocker on a 65% 9 times out of 10 it’s the blocked between the arrow keys and 2x1.25u right side mods. Compared to a 65% without blockers which had 3x1u right side modifiers right up against the arrows
Eicr-5 t1_jcl0bj7 wrote
This is the actual correct answer. Contrasted to a 65 no/blocker which had 3 right side mods that go right up against the arrows. Like the tofu65 keyboards
sadmanh t1_jcl1iyc wrote
there's definitely some wiggle room on mine, I can push it down a bit, but when typing I don't really notice it.
sadmanh t1_jcl1l0c wrote
yeah I didn't think of that
sunfaller t1_jcl4sed wrote
I know it's been answered by examples already but a blocker is anything that would block a space for a key wherever it is on the keyboard.
only done for aesthetics sake.
PretentiousPuck t1_jcl50vw wrote
I'm actually really excited to see how the vanguard turns out, if I can't get a Corsa extra I'm really debating on getting in on that GB.
RealPyretc t1_jcl5biv wrote
I could never do with anythiby less than a 100% i jeed the numpad, i play arma a lot sometimes and its very useful to have extra keys like that to bind stuff to
thetruemysiak t1_jcl9q2b wrote
96% best
Bierdigan_ t1_jclayqu wrote
I personally use the windows key to launch programs, so I use it a ton and like where it is. I only accidentally hit it when I'm starting to fall asleep in my chair lol. I accidentally hit caps all the time but I like the idea of mapping windows to it so might give that a try
minimanticore t1_jclccj3 wrote
More 75% and 75% exploded layouts please for the love of God lol
eternalbuzz t1_jclcoxy wrote
Except the title says “in 2023” ..suggesting OP has been in the hobby for a solid 5 minutes
2020 was the year of the 65s for me. Everybody was begging for 75s and what do ya know, they blew up a year later
DukeOfChaos92 t1_jcld0vn wrote
Or just don't put caps at all because when do you even use that?
DukeOfChaos92 t1_jcld9i1 wrote
As a hot key fanboy, the only key (that would be on a 65%) that I dont use is caps lock.
DukeOfChaos92 t1_jcldrdf wrote
This is why I like the other keeb sub's better. This one is mostly a few minor variations of a handful of rectangles. Oh, this one HAS arrow keys and that one DOESN'T?? Such variety!
As a proud owner of three rectangles, if I'm spending hundreds on something new it should be interesting
LevanderFela t1_jclei8d wrote
Almost never. But having it in 2nd layer doesn't hurt :D
Futuristick-Reddit t1_jclf9fu wrote
Flair checks out
billabong049 t1_jclfyr7 wrote
For 2022-2023 I feel like this should say 75%, 65% was the last fad, and 60% before that.
lol no, 40%s, you will never be a fad.
ReaperofFish t1_jclhqgy wrote
Once you get above 150g springs, everything feels pretty linear.
ExpiredDeodorant OP t1_jclhyu9 wrote
What's the vanguard?
PretentiousPuck t1_jcli3hm wrote
Keebfront's 1st board slider AND a knob 😆
dracolnyte t1_jclii8n wrote
What's a blocker
satanshoesfriend t1_jclmsdy wrote
Oh, I thought it referred to the space between the right ctrl and the left arrow key? Like a kbd67 vs a tofu65
OmegaZero55 t1_jcln7jr wrote
2023 is the year of the 40% for me. So many cool 40 projects I have my eye on at the moment.
EntropicDays t1_jclnxuc wrote
bro 65% gasket mounted blocker keebs FUCK
be-LazY t1_jclutmv wrote
more options on the same layout is good, otherwise you could be stuck on a company that you dont like, right?
Mythtory t1_jclvy48 wrote
Modern Leopolds have a dip switch for that. Flip the first dip switch on the bottom and CTRL and Caps Lock are swapped. No additional layer needed.
XayrCorgi t1_jclw31m wrote
I laugh at this but then I remember myself eyeing that Ginkgo65 Pro like I was gonna violate it 😭😭😭
XayrCorgi t1_jclw4yz wrote
HAHA dude I just commented about Ginkgo too 😂
Yatsuka_Kyo t1_jclwdb3 wrote
I ordered a Ginkgo65 pro as well. The more memes you can relate to on this sub, the less money you have.
SukoKing t1_jclyl9r wrote
I think you’re just built different
SukoKing t1_jclypcf wrote
If anyone is still buying a 65% nowadays then they should have their money removed from them
ExpiredDeodorant OP t1_jcm2doo wrote
Oh the slider and knob on the left is a good choice so people don't have to let go of their mouse hand
ExpiredDeodorant OP t1_jcm35b3 wrote
Top right badge that a lot of 65% boards have
laffeybunn t1_jcm856i wrote
Yeah. Thanks for explaining my message because I'm so over this meme and this trend that explaining my comment is gonna give me an aneurysm.
It's not even funny man.
The ONLY 65%.that has come even remotely close to grabbing my attention since the DELTA is the new $400-$500 Retro 66
All_Of_The_Meat t1_jcmay1c wrote
Plz, we need more 60s....
lightfalcon11620 t1_jcmcaif wrote
Me who is currently in the process of making one
Advanced_Guidance_32 t1_jcmmdjj wrote
Honestly want more 65s with a layout like the ikki68
ExpiredDeodorant OP t1_jcmntgq wrote
I wish they ran more rounds of that board
People can talk about zoom being the one to start the budget 65% war but ikki 68 aurora did it earlier and with a more unique layout
belumjago t1_jcmry6u wrote
We need more knob
knightwing_fgc t1_jcn00jh wrote
My Phase One 65 takes offense to this
lolihatemylife69 t1_jcnpn14 wrote
There are people that don’t use the windows key?? Why??
leafcutter64 t1_jcnvvxd wrote
Like one from a scratch or a kit? If it's the former... then yeah.
lightfalcon11620 t1_jcnvy5n wrote
Yeah from scratch lol
LevanderFela t1_jcnwskj wrote
Didn't know that, thanks!
leafcutter64 t1_jcnx828 wrote
lightfalcon11620 t1_jcnxhmg wrote
Damn that is cool good job!
dubyakay t1_jcobc9p wrote
The snipping tool is a resource hungry, featureless abomination.
If you are not using Greenshot instead, bound to PrnScr, which you then put anywhere you want with your firmware, you are missing out.
S-T-Q t1_jcojovo wrote
Same regarding the Retro66, but that price range is killing me.
laffeybunn t1_jcpc6t1 wrote
No money for it either, still working on my $1000 windx98
mintnoises t1_jebna7p wrote
not trying to refute anyone, just simply stating that people have a plethora of reasons & it is their prerogative. whats one more key removal when we have infinite renditions of 1% to 100%
BlackMoth27 t1_jecjzo9 wrote
I mean it is true that every layout has pros and cons, but i've always had a win key for shortcuts even on linux when i used that, it was helpful. More so when it's not stuck being windows bitch. If the keyboard has a capslock that is still capslock, i find it super ironic that you'd give up on the other useless key, i guess pick your key
mintnoises t1_jed3th3 wrote
Again, I'm not here to debate anything. I just answered the comment above.
If people wanna get chuffed about WKL, go ahead. Every key is useless when you ask 40's users. Who - the - frick - cares 🤌🏼 just do what you want. It's your keyboard.
BlackMoth27 t1_jeewca8 wrote
Yes no debate, only winkey less makes no sense, agreed.
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