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Ironboundian t1_jebuiwn wrote
Temporary? Will probably be like that for a year.
NewNewark OP t1_jebvcta wrote
Not providing a safe walkway can lead to someone getting killed. The area has heavy pedestrian traffic and "temporary" can mean anything from 1 week to 5 years in this city. And it shouldnt be allowed for more than a few hours for a true emergency repair.
Go spend an hour in NYC and youll find every single construction site has a pedestrian walkway.
Example:
https://goo.gl/maps/9CQxh7ib5tFRyvUT7
https://goo.gl/maps/BxDe6TkonMb9PacP6
GhostOfRobertTreat t1_jebvrek wrote
That’s how long construction takes!
GhostOfRobertTreat t1_jebw0pm wrote
If someone turns the corner on Halsey and doesn’t this ahead and cross to the north side of Raymond in order to get to Broad, then they’re an idiot. It’s not the block is impassable. Just cross the street at the corner.
NewNewark OP t1_jebwnio wrote
You're a piece of shit if you think blind people are idiots. Fuck off.
GhostOfRobertTreat t1_jebx4mz wrote
So that is a good point that I hadn’t considered. Apologies. Obviously I did not mean that blind people are idiots.
What is the general practice in that case for when it’s not considered a good idea to remove a lane of traffic to accommodate? In some places you narrow a lane but this would be taking a two lane thoroughfare down to one and probably cause other issues.
Ironboundian t1_jebywjt wrote
The OP’s point (or maybe mine is) is that any other major city there would be protective scaffolding with lighting allowing the sidewalk to continue during construction. Rather than a big FU to pedestrians for the next 12-18 months at a sidewalk in the heart of the downtown.
NewNewark OP t1_jebz05w wrote
So you acknowledge that the choice was made between maintaining a car lane or providing a safe and accessible path for pedestrians. In other words, the title of this thread.
A travel lane, by the way, that is almost always filled with parked cars with their hazards on, making it not much of a lane at all.
If extremely crowded Manhattan can find the space to always provide a walkway, than so can Newark.
Regardless, the burden of how the accommodation is provided should fall on the construction people.
Heres another example in NYC with two simultaneous projects
One side of the street they build an in-road walkway
https://goo.gl/maps/iqJRCwpifbBUwLFY9
So presumably the folks across the street who started their construction later had to create a pedestrian tunnel since they couldnt use another lane
https://goo.gl/maps/EzHQQ62uBuD8obB76
https://goo.gl/maps/EAA5Pzp6g2NbRaAx5
Motor-Clock4341 t1_jec4em8 wrote
God forbid you have to open your eyes while walking down the sidewalk
Jimmy_kong253 t1_jec561i wrote
This is every city how they are allowed to shutdown a sidewalk and get away with telling people to Cross the street is beyond me. The Shaq tower was the worst offender I seen the elderly and people having to run across the busy intersection because they didn't know the sidewalk was shutdown
marceljj t1_jec6a87 wrote
still, pedestrians should be accounted for, especially in downtown
plenty of cities (especially NYC) do construction year round without fully blocking access to sidewalks
RKO36 t1_jec77ak wrote
This isn't how you shut down a sidewalk. You're supposed to have signage at the nearest crosswalk alerting people that it's closed ahead so they can cross appropriately or provide safe, protected passage in the street.
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OGWarlock t1_jecerwf wrote
The issue is there's no safe walking path for peds, they have to go back to the light and cross or walk in the street. A lot harder and more dangerous for people with strollers, seniors, etc.
infomanus t1_jecfnru wrote
Please the city bike lanes and bus lanes are filed with Amazon trucks offloading and sorting.
Designated lanes mean squat
7ranklin35C070 t1_jecg2aa wrote
Lets not fix our community because walking 20’ to use the sidewalk across is insane
Mysticpoisen t1_jecymu0 wrote
Or if it's a dense city with a lot of pedestrian traffic, use raised scaffolding when nothing is going on at ground level to let pedestrians pass underneath.
It's more expensive, and introduces liability, so nobody does it in cities where it isn't enforced.
granitellama t1_jee2xt3 wrote
When I moved to Newark I planned on riding my bike to work. However with the lack of infrastructure I was almost hit at least once a week. I take a scooter now because I can ride it on the sidewalk
dengeist t1_jeebwtg wrote
The sidewalk across the street looks perfectly walkable.
freddyrock t1_jeedu79 wrote
ok did a motor clock you across your head?
RocketButters t1_jeeqifl wrote
Wait till you get a car and see the potholes everywhere
zovig t1_jees1r2 wrote
When I lived in Philly, I biked everywhere. In Newark, biking means putting your life in some crazy driver's hands and trying to ride over un-maintained streets. Seriously, I blew out like 3 tires in the first few months living here when I had never had to replace a tire anywhere else I lived. It's a shame.
zovig t1_jees7el wrote
What about people with disabilities? Elderly folks? Twenty feet is no laughing matter to a lot of people who live here and deserve to be able to get around.
Agile-Win-6615 t1_jees7pn wrote
They need to open the sidewalks around shaq tower soon, its been 2 years of absolute mayhem crossing 21 especially with the Gateway Center pedestrian tunnel closed. Its so unsafe in that intersection!!
Newarkguy1836 t1_jeevyb2 wrote
#UrbanHell
NewNewark OP t1_jefay0x wrote
I like to bike for fun and the only time I was comfortable doing it was April 2020
sutisuc t1_jefq3e6 wrote
Damn sorry to hear you used to live in Philly. That place is worlds better then Newark
Motor-Clock4341 t1_jeg023b wrote
Nope just learned at a young age how to cross the street.
GhostOfRobertTreat t1_jebsub3 wrote
There are certainly things to point to that the city can do better but this is just a temporary condition for construction. I wouldn’t count this along with the lack of bike lanes, bump outs, etc. when done, the pedestrian access will be restored. It’s not a permanent issue.