Central Bucks SD playing the victim card after losing their communications firmSubmitted by Pennzingers t3_11a0zl9 in Pennsylvania
Canopenerdude t1_j9pg8xy wrote
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The average teacher's salary generally tends to sit between 50 and 60k a year. You're telling me that their benefits are worth 120k a year?
Edit: Here's a list of starting salaries for teachers in PA, if you want to depress yourself.
BukkakeKing69 t1_j9pnndq wrote
Teachers in my lower bucks district were making $70 - 90k at the high school level, some in the six figs, about ten years ago.
Teachers in the PA Philly burbs generally make good money.
Canopenerdude t1_j9pzb1z wrote
BukkakeKing69 t1_j9q6ylo wrote
You can find many total collective bargaining agreement easily online and see the pay bands. Most teachers with decent tenure and those with advanced qualifications pull in close to six figs or over it.
minneapple79 t1_j9pybgh wrote
Yep, I remember reading the most senior teachers at Neshaminy were making nearly six figures. I would not be surprised at all if Central Bucks teachers were making more.
Canopenerdude t1_j9pzfsg wrote
Neshaminy starts at 45k, so you'd have to be working a long while to get to six figures.
BukkakeKing69 t1_j9q454m wrote
That's the starting salary for the lowest level teaching job there is.
You can find the total collective bargaining agreement easily online and see the pay bands. Most teachers at the high school level have a decent tenure built up and pull in close to $90k. The pay scale tops out at $111k for advanced degree holders with tenure.
Canopenerdude t1_j9q4cct wrote
That makes a little more sense. I still think the starting wages are criminally low, but that does help some.
BukkakeKing69 t1_j9q7qcu wrote
The starting salaries are low, the reality is many suburban teachers have golden handcuffs and a lot of tenure, so they are more focused on negotiating the upper end of pay bands than focusing on starting salaries.
The unfortunate reality is many teachers get their start in less competitive crapola school districts like the Philly SD and then run for the hills of suburbia as soon as they have some experience.
Madame_Hokey t1_j9qg9m3 wrote
Teacher pay scales also heavily depend on getting those extra degrees. In order to maximize potential pay and get a bigger pay band you have to keep going back to school. Most students don’t realize their teachers in suburban schools have at minimum one masters degree but some of my coworkers have 2 or 3 or even doctorates.
IamSauerKraut t1_j9qofn6 wrote
>I still think the starting wages are criminally low,
CV is a bit lower than the Philly burb districts (lower even that Hershey or MT) but the cost of living in the midstate is much lower than in the burbs.
raven4747 t1_j9qydr9 wrote
yea i think my SD started teachers around 50k but gave them a 3-4k raise every year. so if you stay 10 years you are making 80-90k.
IamSauerKraut t1_j9qo7xq wrote
>Neshaminy starts at 45k, so you'd have to be working a long while to get to six figures.
No, not really. Using steps and columns (extra ed + years in service), a new teacher can easily go above 50k for the school year.
beef_is_here t1_j9qan7o wrote
Those figures include administration. And those numbers would be significantly skewed by the administration's inclusion. It is more likely the person making $196,000 a year is the district superintendent, not a teacher.
minneapple79 t1_j9qbfyq wrote
If you click on individual teachers, you can see their salaries.
For example:
Canopenerdude t1_j9q3ick wrote
Huh. Strange that two official sites would give such different info.
FawltyPython t1_j9pi4mp wrote
Nah like 60k a year direct, then add 20k for ira, healthcare, training, etc.
Canopenerdude t1_j9pj6sk wrote
80k a year then, that's just under 7k a month, even two teachers at that is less than 15k a month.
drxdrg08 t1_j9q1osr wrote
> Nah like 60k a year direct, then add 20k for ira, healthcare, training, etc.
Nah. Not even close.
For regular programs, $93,753,240 for salaries, $57,724,761 for benefits.
Benefits are 62% of the salary.
>Highest salary at Central Bucks School District in year 2022 was $225,000. Number of employees at Central Bucks School District in year 2022 was 1,432. Average annual salary was $89,910 and median salary was $94,472.
https://govsalaries.com/salaries/PA/central-bucks-school-district?year=2022&page=2
The median salary is $94,472 and $58,573 in benefits = $153,044 total compensation.
v_squared96 t1_j9r4lec wrote
That high salary is almost twice the highest paid teacher. “Average” is highly skewed because of that. I believe the starting salary is 47k. I work in the district… 20+ years. Our salary schedule taps out at 116k. It sounds like a lot but I’m in my mid to late 40s, have a masters plus 30 credits and can’t move to other districts since most don’t honor your years of service. There are people I know in “marketing” in there 20s that make as much as I do with bonuses. I’m not complaining but the community brags about the great education, but many teachers can’t afford to live in the district.
drxdrg08 t1_j9revq3 wrote
> have a masters
I hope you are not teaching math.
> That high salary is almost twice the highest paid teacher. “Average” is highly skewed because of that.
Look again.
> Average annual salary was $89,910 and median salary was $94,472
v_squared96 t1_j9rz37c wrote
Ha. If the median salary is 94k, half the teachers make less than that. I would like to see what the “teacher” pay average is when admin is removed from the calculation. I would imagine the 225k is the superintendent. 116k is about half that. Like I said, the number sounds big compared to districts not in Bucks county. But, cost of living in Bucks around Doylestown is nuts. Our EAs and support staff get paid squat and the building couldn’t run without them.
FawltyPython t1_j9q6hqr wrote
Holy shit. Imma be a high school teacher next year.
drxdrg08 t1_j9q7ilh wrote
Get your degrees, certs, be good at your job, put in a couple of decades to get the experience. In short, work hard, then you can...
> There is a math teacher making $166K in just salary, or $269K with benefits.
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drxdrg08 t1_j9q62g8 wrote
> Just a small correction from your link, $122,004 as the highest salary - not $225,000. All the other numbers look good!
$122K is the highest salary on page 2. The superintendant is on page 1 at $225K.
There is a math teacher making $166K in just salary, or $269K with benefits.
EmperorOfNada t1_j9q6jnh wrote
Why does the govsalaries link show differently for highest salary?
drxdrg08 t1_j9q73ro wrote
It appears to show the highest salary on the currently selected page, but the average and median is calculated across all pages.
EmperorOfNada t1_j9qbsp6 wrote
Ahh, thanks! I couldn’t see that on my phone. Just looked it up on my PC and can navigate/see it much better.
IamSauerKraut t1_j9qonci wrote
58k in bennies is off.
tsg5087 t1_j9psjd5 wrote
Don’t forget that districts have to send 34% of wages to PSERS because PA has neglected to ensure the retirement fund is adequately funded. That’s just retirement folks, do not forget to include healthcare claims , most districts I believe are now self insured.
Edit: spelling
jralll234 t1_j9qhdnr wrote
My wife’s (a Pa teacher) health insurance is listed at something like 40 grand, on top of the 60 some grand she makes in actual income, in one of the poorer districts in the state. So 120k doesn’t seem like much of a stretch in some districts.
Eggbread_69 t1_j9qwdtd wrote
Exclude Philly , Pittsburgh, York etc and the average skyrockets
Dyerssorrow t1_j9pgqqr wrote
your argument only works if they have 1 teacher.
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