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DawnExplosion t1_jdpjyad wrote

I don't want to ever hurt anyone's feelings. But I think it is moronic to say there are more than two genders and that men can have babies. I think it's pure racism to be anti-white. I think it's leftist fascism to criticize those of us who value the family unit. Why can the left believe as it wants and that has to be law? Why can't I disagree?

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EveArgent t1_jdpp8mn wrote

I wasn't trying to start fight and I don't think responsibility for the comment below me if it starts to fight. I was just really curious.

It's weird that the left thinks the right is fascist and the right thinks the left is fascist and that's a really dangerous place for us to be in.

My question is does it hurt you in any way to let other people define their gender differently? Besides that, you disagree. Like what harm does it do? The thing is, the left isn't trying to make it law that there's more than two genders, they would rather just be left alone and be allowed to exist.

It's a difficult place to be in because one sides very loud trying to defend their personhood and one sides very loud trying to defend their beliefs. But I truly think that both sides could probably be happy if everyone just agreed to leave everyone else alone. Like there's no harm in someone identifying as not a man or a woman, as there is no harm in someone identifying as a man or a woman. It's just something they deal with. I don't fully understand. But that's ok. I don't have to understand everything.

Your can absolutely disagree.

In my view, It's just that on one hand saying that someone else's identity is invalid threatens their personhood and agency to make choices and have a personal freedom. And it does nothing to you to let them do that. But denying it denies their personhood which historically has led to murdering and genocide and that's what they fear.

I think it's interesting that we've become so afraid of each other and it's really sad because honestly I don't think either side wants to hurt the other. But I think both sides are scared of losing their personhood and are reflexively lashing out where it's not needed. That makes me sad.

But thank you for sharing. Sometimes find it difficult to get into the headspace of someone who sees things differently and I think we could all use that kind of interaction. Understanding is what we need as a whole people. And things are just so high emotion that it's hard to get there sometimes.

Anyway. I wish you love and good fortune.

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DawnExplosion t1_jdqo3gx wrote

Beautifully written. You've given me a lot to think about. It's nice to have honest conversations without name calling. You're right, I agree that most folks don't want to hurt anyone. I certainly don't and fully support free expression. I think what offends my sensibilities is the extremists that seem to drive the conversation (or at least get the news coverage).

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EveArgent t1_jdx7sx7 wrote

Yeah. It's like they do it on purpose so that we don't get together and fight them for basic human rights or something like France right now.

Thanks for being a cool guy and having an open mind for conversation to happen. I'm glad I could be a cool person in this exchange too. Our country really has a yelling at people problem and I think it's very unproductive and divisive.

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gdex86 t1_jdpo9io wrote

Except there are more then two genders. Since gender is a social construct. Even if you meant sex sciences answer is "most people fit these two boxes. Generally. Ignore those ones sticking out of the side. But we also have all these other boxes for people that definitely don't fit in those two."

Very few people are anti white and anti white isn't part of wokeness in general. The woke people want an honest teaching of our history so people learn how racism ended up shaping the history of this country be it the treatment of black slaves, indigenous peoples, Asian immigrants, even the histories of the non waspy Europeans that eventually got folded into white. Because know about and being honest about it helps keep from repeating the same or similar mistakes. Even the dreaded idea of white privilege is that the world treats you differently on how you are perceived racially and while life isn't all roses and joy being white there are several places where it does make it easier and if you are white you maybe don't notice because it's never effected you.

Again very few seriously criticize the traditional family unit. They criticize that it is the ultimate end goal and the best option for everyone. A married mom and dad is fine, but so is two married moms, two married dad's, a mom and dad that are separated but co parrent, single parents, and even whole family raising a kid. It's like when people say feminism criticizes the family unit. No it doesn't. It wants the idea of a stay at home mom to be an option women opt into because they want to, not be the only path forward when pregnant.

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EveArgent t1_jdppgg8 wrote

I have personally decided to start using the terms, "stay at home father" and "working father" because I think it's funny. And asking people. "Is your wife ok with you working?"... It's because it's such a ridiculous thing that men say to us. Like who fucking cares. They're not the owner of women. Lol

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