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gdex86 t1_jdmg7nr wrote

I would change one thing in the article," the drag community is under attack" is a true statement but I dont think it properly objectively explains the situation. "The drag community is being scapegoated as part of the conservative continual war on LGBTQ community" is a more more detailed and true picture.

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Yen-sama t1_jdnaqak wrote

Please explain how drag shows are "deviate sexual behavior" without using the reason "they're wearing women's clothes!"

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gdex86 t1_jdn597p wrote

Blah blah blah homophobic bullshit about natural behavior which ignore same sex behaviors happen through our the animal kingdom.

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tellmeaboutyourcat t1_jdneqkf wrote

>Right. But when was the last time scientists observed a gay penguin parade?

Gay penguins don't need parades because they weren't systematically oppressed, harassed, and murdered by straight penguins throughout history.

Homophobic oppression is uniquely human, but homosexuality is not.

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Thisfuckingwebsite t1_jdnl70z wrote

>same sex behaviors happen through our the animal kingdom

>Right.

>If you think you can undo hundreds of millions of years natural evolution, good luck.

Lol, you are not smart

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Drive-By-Cuckers t1_jdnfjur wrote

Who tf cares tho? Does it make me poorer? Does it make Philly poorer? Does it make PA poorer? No

So it shouldn’t be debated by politicians. Their job is to improve the ability of their constituents to be successful and have access to essential services full stop.

We don’t need a culturally homogenous society at the expense of our public services. Maybe if we weren’t so focused on non issues like this then we’d have functioning roads

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cringelien t1_jdnapq1 wrote

holy shit pick up a book please i feel so bad for my fellow americans who have not had the same educational and travel opportunities of me. wishing you a more open future ETA 8 year old account with only 1k karma… and only recently posting to fight lgbt issues.. hmm!

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Ok-Twist921 t1_jdnpixt wrote

People who describe things they hate as “deviant” are nazis. Full stop.

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themollusk t1_jdnumsz wrote

>Deviate sexual behavior

Get fucked

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Tdub405 t1_jdnzysd wrote

He probably doesn't, and that's part of the problem. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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lucasj t1_jdnsltg wrote

Let’s set up a Council to End Deviant Sex. The mandatory genital inspections will ensure our freedom 🦅🫡🇺🇸

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Tommy_Batch t1_jdn9opl wrote

Anyone with two working brain cells supports equal rights for the citizens of this country and ALL its states; regardless who the people are, regardless what they do.

Once the republicans have milked this for all the hate they can wring from it, they'll move on and we'll not hear "trans" used as a slur.

Who knows what they'll rile up their haters with next.

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drxdrg08 t1_jdncebz wrote

> Anyone with two working brain cells supports equal rights for the citizens of this country and ALL its states; regardless who the people are, regardless what they do.

Equal rights means that when you create laws and policy you strip away all the differences such as race, gender, sexual preferences, etc.

The cult of intersectionality does the complete opposite.

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TransFattyAcid OP t1_jdnt0q6 wrote

Can you show us a bill that's been passed into law that implements policy as this so called "cult of intersectionality" you invented intends to do?

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Tommy_Batch t1_jdnd08o wrote

Exactly what laws protecting equal rights should do.

We need more of them apparently.

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susinpgh t1_jdnii7i wrote

Like the Marriage Equality Act? Or the Loving act, which allowed people of two different races to marry? I think that serves a purpose. It also serves a purpose in holding organizations and employers to account for unfair practices based on ant number of factors.

Yes, we shouldn't need these rules, because it's in the constitution. But since the founding, laws were interpreted differently based on gender, race and religious practice.

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Aggravating_Foot_528 t1_jdo6z39 wrote

Loving was a SCOTUS case.

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susinpgh t1_jdofcfl wrote

What's your point?

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Aggravating_Foot_528 t1_jdohmec wrote

You called it the Loving Act. That would be a law. But instead it was a supreme court case -- Loving v. Virginia.

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susinpgh t1_jdojfyr wrote

Yes, you're right. But the precedent for interracial marriage was set with that decision.

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SeptasLate t1_jdo1dvi wrote

Race and gender no longer exist?

I'm sure you were equally outraged about the all of the St Patrick's day parades and how they create divisions between the Irish decendants and the other less boozy ethic groups

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JhinisaLesbian t1_jdmh76x wrote

Such a wonderful gesture. This is a cute picture.

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DawnExplosion t1_jdn176z wrote

Look, I'm a conservative-ISH person. I'm not into the woke stuff. However, what is this outcry over drag? I just don't get it. I'm afraid the Right is using it as a smokescreen to hide something worse on their side. I've only been to a few places that had drag queens and they were funny and nice. I just don't see the problem.

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Riftus t1_jdnmjzx wrote

>I'm afraid the Right is using it as a smokescreen to hide something worse on their side

Of course it is. That's how it has always worked. With the last 15-20 years of social progress for queer folk, the pendulum is now on the other side and being deathly transphobic has become normalized. The drag community is being used as a scapegoat for wueer people and will be tossed aside once attacking queer people themselves becomes normalized (more than it already is)

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EveArgent t1_jdp5dnf wrote

What "Woke stuff" do you object to?

I'm really wondering, I do not understand this perspective and I am curious what the problem is.

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DawnExplosion t1_jdpjyad wrote

I don't want to ever hurt anyone's feelings. But I think it is moronic to say there are more than two genders and that men can have babies. I think it's pure racism to be anti-white. I think it's leftist fascism to criticize those of us who value the family unit. Why can the left believe as it wants and that has to be law? Why can't I disagree?

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EveArgent t1_jdpp8mn wrote

I wasn't trying to start fight and I don't think responsibility for the comment below me if it starts to fight. I was just really curious.

It's weird that the left thinks the right is fascist and the right thinks the left is fascist and that's a really dangerous place for us to be in.

My question is does it hurt you in any way to let other people define their gender differently? Besides that, you disagree. Like what harm does it do? The thing is, the left isn't trying to make it law that there's more than two genders, they would rather just be left alone and be allowed to exist.

It's a difficult place to be in because one sides very loud trying to defend their personhood and one sides very loud trying to defend their beliefs. But I truly think that both sides could probably be happy if everyone just agreed to leave everyone else alone. Like there's no harm in someone identifying as not a man or a woman, as there is no harm in someone identifying as a man or a woman. It's just something they deal with. I don't fully understand. But that's ok. I don't have to understand everything.

Your can absolutely disagree.

In my view, It's just that on one hand saying that someone else's identity is invalid threatens their personhood and agency to make choices and have a personal freedom. And it does nothing to you to let them do that. But denying it denies their personhood which historically has led to murdering and genocide and that's what they fear.

I think it's interesting that we've become so afraid of each other and it's really sad because honestly I don't think either side wants to hurt the other. But I think both sides are scared of losing their personhood and are reflexively lashing out where it's not needed. That makes me sad.

But thank you for sharing. Sometimes find it difficult to get into the headspace of someone who sees things differently and I think we could all use that kind of interaction. Understanding is what we need as a whole people. And things are just so high emotion that it's hard to get there sometimes.

Anyway. I wish you love and good fortune.

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DawnExplosion t1_jdqo3gx wrote

Beautifully written. You've given me a lot to think about. It's nice to have honest conversations without name calling. You're right, I agree that most folks don't want to hurt anyone. I certainly don't and fully support free expression. I think what offends my sensibilities is the extremists that seem to drive the conversation (or at least get the news coverage).

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EveArgent t1_jdx7sx7 wrote

Yeah. It's like they do it on purpose so that we don't get together and fight them for basic human rights or something like France right now.

Thanks for being a cool guy and having an open mind for conversation to happen. I'm glad I could be a cool person in this exchange too. Our country really has a yelling at people problem and I think it's very unproductive and divisive.

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gdex86 t1_jdpo9io wrote

Except there are more then two genders. Since gender is a social construct. Even if you meant sex sciences answer is "most people fit these two boxes. Generally. Ignore those ones sticking out of the side. But we also have all these other boxes for people that definitely don't fit in those two."

Very few people are anti white and anti white isn't part of wokeness in general. The woke people want an honest teaching of our history so people learn how racism ended up shaping the history of this country be it the treatment of black slaves, indigenous peoples, Asian immigrants, even the histories of the non waspy Europeans that eventually got folded into white. Because know about and being honest about it helps keep from repeating the same or similar mistakes. Even the dreaded idea of white privilege is that the world treats you differently on how you are perceived racially and while life isn't all roses and joy being white there are several places where it does make it easier and if you are white you maybe don't notice because it's never effected you.

Again very few seriously criticize the traditional family unit. They criticize that it is the ultimate end goal and the best option for everyone. A married mom and dad is fine, but so is two married moms, two married dad's, a mom and dad that are separated but co parrent, single parents, and even whole family raising a kid. It's like when people say feminism criticizes the family unit. No it doesn't. It wants the idea of a stay at home mom to be an option women opt into because they want to, not be the only path forward when pregnant.

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EveArgent t1_jdppgg8 wrote

I have personally decided to start using the terms, "stay at home father" and "working father" because I think it's funny. And asking people. "Is your wife ok with you working?"... It's because it's such a ridiculous thing that men say to us. Like who fucking cares. They're not the owner of women. Lol

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Kabloosh75 t1_jdoc687 wrote

There's been this push for drag shows to be performed in front of minors like it is some sort of family friendly activity.

I think it depends. Like if I saw a parade float with some drag queens on it I think it's harmless fun.

However, if you've ever been to a drag queen bar it can get nuts there. Not really a place for kids.

I do not think we should be criminalizing men wearing dresses and putting on makeup but I also don't think we should be taking kids to the bar to watch drag shows even if it is being "catered" to children.

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TheArchitect_7 t1_jdodtnw wrote

If you’ve ever been to a BAR, it can get nuts there. Not really a place for kids.

Weird argument. Some events have kids in mind, some don’t.

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mikeyHustle t1_jdn3k8o wrote

You're reading sex into places where it isn't. You're the one pushing sex into these situations. The drag performers aren't acting sexually. The kids aren't perceiving any sex. They're hearing average childrens' stories read by people doing performance art.

You don't understand the difference between sex and gender, and your comment is getting very violent about it.

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Yen-sama t1_jdnb637 wrote

Men dressing in women's clothing for theater is a centuries-old phenomenon. It's not a fetish, it is an art form.

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BethiIdes89 t1_jdndd0d wrote

Drag is in no way a fetish. People do drag for a ton of reasons. Could someone do drag as a fetish? Sure. But it's in no way inherent to what drag is and certainly isn't happening 99% of the time. If you read a book, watched an episode of Drag Race, watched "Paris is Burning," or just talked to a drag queen, you'd know that. But instead you'd prefer to call them all pedophiles, which is horrifying and hateful. A drag queen making sexually lewd jokes at an adult show does not mean they're a pedophile or trying to evoke anything other than a laugh. And not all drag queens make sexually lewd jokes.

You don't know what you're talking about, and I don't think you're interested in learning. You can't come to a conversation in good faith by calling an entire group of people pedophiles. Educate yourself or mind your own business. And if you're actually interested in protecting kids, go talk to a CPS worker about the reality of what child abuse actually is in this state.

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BethiIdes89 t1_jdnk3dw wrote

No, you're not listening. Again, you're assuming people do drag as a kink/for sexual gratification. That's not the reality. There are lots of reasons to do drag--entertainment, commenting on gender stereotypes, getting to express a part of yourself that doesn't conform to what's traditionally expected of your gender (there is such a thing as drag kings), political activism, and making money as a performer, to name a few reasons.

If a drag queen is doing a library reading for kids or some other event where there's a high likelihood of kids being present, they're not making sexual jokes or comments. If a drag queen makes those jokes at an evening show for adults and a kid happens to be there, that is not on the drag queen. That's on the parents for bringing their kids to a show that's not meant for kids. If a kid goes to a sexually explicit movie that depicts straight people, is it the filmmakers and actors' trying to enact a fetish on those kids? Or does that only apply if the movie depicts gay people?

You're relying on old, harmful stereotypes of gay people as pedophiles, whether or not you recognize it. Most adults-- gay, straight, and everything else out there--are sexual beings, and we all say sexual things and sometimes talk about it in performances, movies, books, etc. Is this inherently enacting on a fetish?

And to answer why drag queens are performing in front of kids, for example, reading a book at a library, it's about kids learning about acceptance of people different from them and because drag queens are like walking cartoon characters and that's fun for kids.

Again, you probably should try to learn about what is actually happening instead of making generalized statements that are based on stereotypes meant to demonize and harm a group of people.

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BethiIdes89 t1_jdnlh7n wrote

if you're not willing to actually have a conversation and back up anything you say, fine. But I hope for your kids and my kids' sakes that if they one day turn out to be gay and want to do drag, that you can still love them and treat them a full human beings.

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SeptasLate t1_jdo1x0r wrote

Where are you that you can't currently keep your kids away from drag story time without the government protecting you?

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Thisfuckingwebsite t1_jdnlnbz wrote

They do it in front of kids for the same reason you let kids watch you at the doctors - to show that there is nothing to fear

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TherabbitTrix0 t1_jdpx2uj wrote

Where is the group of drag performers that say they MUST perform in front of kids?

Why were alter severs only allowed to be young boys for so many years…hmm. I can’t stand people arguing about drag performers when there is a whole other group of people that are abusing kids.

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PettyAndretti t1_jdn3wxq wrote

Just thinking about that show “To Catch A Predator” and how they exposed husbands, fathers, police, firemen, faith leaders, & community leaders. But NEVER a Drag Queen…

But yea man, woodchippers, fuck yea

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Yen-sama t1_jdnbhgr wrote

Plenty of examples of white, straight, god-loving men that end up being sexual predators and pedophiles too. 🤔

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Yen-sama t1_jdnczbw wrote

Okay, but we aren't out here attacking and outlawing that entire demographic as a whole, even when the chances of a child being abused by that demographic is much higher than a child being abused by someone from the drag community.

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BethiIdes89 t1_jdnmpwi wrote

Hey, guys, we've been doing government wrong! We should all just trust this guy and base all policies that impact people like him on his gut nstead of evidence and experience!

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Thisfuckingwebsite t1_jdnlz2b wrote

So you must want to ban church and christianity then, too, right?

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Thisfuckingwebsite t1_jdnnvzg wrote

Agreed but since you seemingly want to ban all transgenders from (existing? i guess) around kids because some (which youve failed to cite or identify) allegdly groomed or abused kids

So logically, more than just the individuals in the church, to be consistent with your stance on transgenders, you must be against all of Christianity right?

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Thisfuckingwebsite t1_jdnq520 wrote

Nah you just delete comments when your weak ass idiot thoughts get exposed. Theres a reason nobody respects you,. Its because of who you are, as a person

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Thisfuckingwebsite t1_jdnrhs1 wrote

I love dem pedos

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Thisfuckingwebsite t1_jdnsw34 wrote

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EveArgent t1_jdp545f wrote

I hate this country so much.
( I support the drag community and the fact that this is a fight is terrible and I hate it and I cannot understand why we are going so far backward so quickly and we need to be like the French and BURN SHIT DOWN.)

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BitchyWitchy68 t1_jdp2iep wrote

I hope they are as supportive of the Trans community.. We are getting attacked everywhere. I’m scared to leave the house anymore.

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Stoic-Cholo t1_jdrys6r wrote

I see how much love the bs on the left have for this moderate. Grow up.

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Stoic-Cholo t1_jds0i74 wrote

You ignore the results of your actions. Since I am apparently on the forefront of this opinion, and you are close-minded, you won't even understand.

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Stoic-Cholo t1_jds0194 wrote

You are for the rights of the marginalized? Let's agree to meet civilly in person.

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Stoic-Cholo t1_jds08jm wrote

You people? I am a short male. I don't give anyone a hard time except when they bully me, someone else, or express such ignorance as you apparently have.

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CltAltAcctDel t1_jdpbw3x wrote

I don’t understand why grown men in dresses and garish makeup want to read books to kids and I don’t know why school administrators think it’s a good idea. Are there no women available? Like actual women. They make up half the population so I’d imagine you could find a woman who could do the job. Are men the only entertaining people in outlandish clothes?

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schmuckrodgers t1_jdpqa3r wrote

The candidates roll their eyes and play along or the drag "community" will start with their depraved acts in front of the general public like they typically do.

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pocketbookashtray t1_jdp5ly7 wrote

Left wing extremists supporting drag shows and child grooming instead of dealing with the real issues. Typical Democrats.

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Sonnescheint t1_jdpd39f wrote

More Republicans have been caught grooming and raping children than any amount of drag queens, first off. Secondly, there is a literal worldwide push towards extremism against the LGBT+ community fostered by false claims against people trying to live their lives as themselves.

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pocketbookashtray t1_jdpdj7d wrote

The head democrat is literally a pedophile. But hey, nice try at deflecting.

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Sonnescheint t1_jdpe4sy wrote

The "head democrat" is also, famously, not a drag queen. Again, more Republicans have been caught grooming and raping children than any number of drag queens.

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pocketbookashtray t1_jdpeitc wrote

You can keep saying that, but it’s still a lie. Nice try at deflecting from Democrats promoting grooming, and Biden’s penchant for touching children.

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Sonnescheint t1_jdpes2y wrote

This is why debating with fascists is always fruitless. Keep living in your false reality, keep the rest of us out of your nonsense, fascist scum.

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pocketbookashtray t1_jdu11xx wrote

LOL. There it is, the baseless name-calling “fascist”, “racist”. The go-to move of liberals when they’ve lost an argument to their intellectual superiors.

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Sonnescheint t1_jdupekk wrote

Fuck off and die fascist. The world needs less of you.

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BradleyUffner t1_jdqglo6 wrote

Your boy follows little girls into dressing rooms and "grabs them by the pussy", so yeah, you can shut up now.

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Monkeyswine t1_jdo4xpp wrote

Philly has enough serious problems to deal with. They shouldn't waste resources on virtue signalling and pandering.

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8Draw t1_jdoktbq wrote

What resources? And are they wasted if they're defending minority groups?

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RabbleLowder t1_jdotkfs wrote

Who is attacking drag queens?

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BitchyWitchy68 t1_jdqawap wrote

Who’s not attacking drag queens and trans people is the real question? I’ve never seen such a constant targeting of the trans community in my lifetime. You’re an 🍑🤡

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RabbleLowder t1_jdqhehi wrote

So asking who is attacking people you claimed to being attacked is somehow targeting???? Your logic is muted.

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Stoic-Cholo t1_jdo1bge wrote

The War on Right demonstrates the intolerance of the Left. We are all humans with different perspectives. Why are so many embracing such hatred for others who hold different views? Intolerance, hatred, acceptance and love are the true issues we face. If someone else feels uncomfortable with someone or something, why are do many ready to demonize them? If it is not a legal or moral issue, we ALL need to show respect in that difference, or we are NO BETTER and are simply pointing fingers and throwing gas on the fire. If someone else does not agree or like what I think, say, do, feel or say, it is not right for me to assault them. And ASSAULT is exactly what many of us are doing.

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Thezedword4 t1_jdpe9vm wrote

Conservatives almost getting it.

This has to be satire, right?

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ProbablyAtDialysis t1_jdqcn3t wrote

"The war on the right".

Fuck off with that. Your whole rant ignores that the right is trying to pass bills against the LGBTQ to push them back in the shadows by lying about grooming / "think of the children" scare tactics and the left is saying no don't do that.

This isn't a war on the right. It's a war on the drag community and will next move to the Trans and gay communities. The left is just trying to protect these people.

Don't like drag? Don't go. Don't want to be gay married? Don't do it.

This is America and those people have the right to do those things. Making those things illegal because the right doesn't like them isn't American. It is basically Fascism 101.

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Thisfuckingwebsite t1_jdrzlok wrote

So why do you people attack Women, Gays, Trans, Blacks and Mexicans relentlessly?

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Stoic-Cholo t1_jdo1jrd wrote

Btw, I don't give a shit what someone does in their bedroom, as long it is not harming anyone. Limits people, limits must be respected, or is that wrong?

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Stoic-Cholo t1_jdoagnc wrote

I figured someone would down vote my very candid comments. Sad. Our communication in 2023 MUST improve. The down votes are a badge of honor, as I try to stand up for any of us who feel marinated by intolerance. Even the intolerance of someone who down votes me, without a response. Bullying takes place on all sides.

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LoopySnV t1_jdntdyc wrote

This is stupid 😂

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SchnauzerHaus t1_jdmoio6 wrote

My friend, that's exactly the point. The Drag and LGBTQ community didn't ask for this fight, conservatives (nicest word I could think of) brought it in order to DISTRACT people from all the real horrors in the world.

Don't be fooled. The LGBTQ community is here to stay. Hate and fear will not win. We ain't going anywhere.

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mikeyHustle t1_jdmw1hm wrote

Ukraine is under attack by Russia*

For no goddamned reason*

FTFY

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tough_ledi t1_jdmvgwi wrote

Protecting human rights is a job of our elected officials, yes.

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mikeyHustle t1_jdmvyu7 wrote

It doesn't? You're the only one bringing up a "sexual fetish" for some reason?

EDIT: Unless you're misguided enough to think drag is inherently sexual or fetishistic, and not just the entertaining genderbent performance art that it is. But I didn't want to assume you were that confused.

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BethiIdes89 t1_jdnpnfy wrote

Is being straight not inherently sexual too? Are straight people not out here fucking? I missed the memo because I’m been having a lot of straight sex with my heterosexual spouse. We probably should stop though. Wouldn’t want to be thought of as deviant. /s

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snazzypantz t1_jdmxrqc wrote

Drag is not, and has never been, a sexual fetish.

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snazzypantz t1_jdnaurq wrote

You're almost there! It is close to a clown show. People dressing up in costumes, making people laugh and entertaining. Good work! You finally got it.

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Dickenstein69 t1_jdnn1t0 wrote

Yea, you get it! It’s a clown show with people dressing up for fun and entertainment, nothing more, nothing less. And that’s the point of why most sane Americans question why this is an issue at all with conservatives.

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drxdrg08 t1_jdnq62u wrote

> It’s a clown show with people dressing up for fun and entertainment, nothing more, nothing less.

So a KKK march is just people that like wrapping themselves in sheets and walking for exercise? Nothing more, nothing less?

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VerbalGravy t1_jdr0mi1 wrote

Holy hell the level of mental gymnastics you must of had to go through to make this comment is borderline insane. Please seek out a therapist to help you with your delusions.

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tLoKMJ t1_jdn4jzg wrote

Wording of your question aside..... from a general standpoint politicians have been expressing values and engaging in cultural appreciation for as long as there have been governments. Whether that's wishing everyone a happy holiday, participating in a parade, speaking at a Veteran's Day event, visiting a school, planting a tree on Arbor Day, or whatever else.

But if you need a more practical reason that aligns with your personal view of a mayor's job, then the answer is already in your examples:

> keep the city safe

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the_real_xuth t1_jdmy7cp wrote

Your comment is just flat out wrong in so many ways that your final question becomes nonsensical (since it is predicated on false statements).

In addition to the above roles, the mayors job is to be the face of the city. The chief executive of any entity, be it a corporation or a locale is the top representative for that entity both internally and externally and is never not political.

As to denigrating drag as a just a "sexual fetish" is like saying that feet are merely a sexual fetish and anyone who goes out in bare feet should be shamed and outlawed because of that. Nearly any argument you could make for not wearing anything on your feet could be argued for wearing clothes that are traditionally worn by the other gender in western societies. This runs the full gamut of "it's more comfortable to me" to a "sexual fetish". But if you seem to only be able to focus on the sexual fetish part of it.

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