You know it's bad when the "everything is rigged" guy agrees that the polls aren't riggedtabshiftescape t1_it91h4g wrote
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/2022/pennsylvania/
The most recent polls have Fetterman up by between 1% and 3%. The race is a toss up. If you live in Pennsylvania, your vote is definitely going to matter in this race.
tinacat933 t1_it9bjzp wrote
This is absolutely crazy. And you’d think that once the Rs come out with their fear mongering cause they always do the Ds would be ready to fight back
Pink_Slyvie t1_it9q6qh wrote
Fight back how. Truth and honesty isn't working.
Should we start acting like them?
tinacat933 t1_it9z0sr wrote
But saying …this ad is wrong because blah blah
215-610-484Replayer t1_itbupnq wrote
Lie gets halfway around the world before the truth can tie it's shoes.
Once you establish a bullshit narrative with a ton of dark money and outside spending groups, it's difficult to tell folks that everything they have been hearing that aligns with their established bias is a lie.
tinacat933 t1_itbyffv wrote
While this partly true…the silence against the attacks leads people to believe they are true because you are not giving them anything else to believe
Pink_Slyvie t1_ita1yh5 wrote
What's the point. If they listen, they decide it's a lie and they just dig their heels in.
tinacat933 t1_ita4eu6 wrote
That’s not how swing voters work
Pink_Slyvie t1_ita7sid wrote
There aren't any swing voters this time.
tabshiftescape t1_itajjjd wrote
There are swing voters. I’m a swing voter and I’m voting for Fetterman. Please don’t believe that people’s minds can’t be changed.
Pink_Slyvie t1_itajuhe wrote
But was there any reality where you would vote for Oz? I would hope not.
tabshiftescape t1_itak2ip wrote
Before I knew much about either candidate, sure. The more I looked into their backgrounds, the more I’ve been convinced.
Trust me—there are many many right leaning moderates who no longer trust the Republican Party and approach each election willing to go either way depending on how much sense the candidate makes and how married they are to Trumpism.
How would you classify yourself politically? And how long have you held those particular beliefs?
drewbaccaAWD t1_itd2o7a wrote
It was a pretty straight forward choice for me, as I disliked Oz even before he decided to run. McCormick, I would have actually given an open mind and the possibility of winning me over. I would have preferred Lamb over Fetterman.
A decade ago I would have called myself a swing voter (I've voted for R's in the past) but I find that increasingly hard at this point in history. I'm not on the left "the right was always bad" lines of thinking but at this point I don't think there's much of a middle remaining. You either side with the party falsely claiming "it was rigged" or you do whatever it takes to push the fanatics back into obscurity.
The fact that Trump is still the favorite for 2024 after everything while the Dems pushed Biden over someone like Bernie clearly shows the difference between the two parties at this time and place. Anyone endorsed by Trump should automatically be written off.
tabshiftescape t1_itd7tss wrote
I agree with you completely and I’m terribly disappointed that something as important as the governance of our nation has been reduced to keeping the crazies out by any means necessary.
tinacat933 t1_itabcww wrote
That’s wrong. Why do you think the polls keep shifting
Pink_Slyvie t1_itabo7d wrote
Because they are inaccurate.
I suppose my statement is wrong though. The swing voters this time are much further right then usual.
IamSauerKraut t1_itbxci7 wrote
The swing voters have been far right for many years. They claim to be independents who do not know who they will vote for until they enter the voting booth, but they lie. Trust me, they lie. Every. fn. Time.
Pink_Slyvie t1_itbya21 wrote
Eh, Democrats are Right, Republican's are Far Right.
IamSauerKraut t1_it9xgyz wrote
R's already are doing their dirty ads. Where have you been?
IamSauerKraut t1_itbx53g wrote
Nate Silver has not been relevant, or playing within the ballpark, since at least 2008.
tabshiftescape t1_itbxuvh wrote
Please provide a justifiably better source of aggregated responses from likely voters and I’ll update my original comment.
IamSauerKraut t1_itbzxa7 wrote
I shall do no such thing. When it comes to Nate Silver, buyer beware.
tabshiftescape t1_itc0fw6 wrote
In most areas of my life, I try to take the approach of “unless you know a better way.” Critical accusations and suggestions of caution have a place, but should be stated with evidence.
We have as much reason to treat your cautioning with caution as we do the link I originally posted.
IamSauerKraut t1_itc2b7f wrote
Nate Silver has been so wrong so often for so long that I do not consider him a credible predictor of future events. That he is an aggregator or claims to use "math" is meaningless. Indeed, in the Perry-Daniels race for Congress, he has Daniels up by 3%. Which makes "unless you know a better way" equally meaningless in this context.
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