friskimykitty t1_ivq7o8n wrote
That’s hilarious! Has Oz actually conceded yet?
happyjazzycook t1_ivqth79 wrote
Actually, Oz gave a gracious concession speech last night. Similar to the concession speeches that politicians (generally speaking) used to do before it was considered okay to whine about fraud and lay blame on everyone else.
--Cr1imsoN-- t1_ivr53r0 wrote
I’m not gonna lie, it was actually refreshing to see and while Oz can still get fucked, I have a modicum of more respect to him for conceding like a civilized human being.
NotNowDamo t1_ivspbjc wrote
Shame that doing the right thing is now considered special.
Fuck these guys.
VaggPounder t1_ivtgp51 wrote
I still hate the GQP and MAGA with all my heart but at least it's a sign that things are moving back towards normalcy with the right wing creeps --- let's hope they nix the idea of Little Adolf DeSantis winning the 2024 nomination
dojijosu t1_ivt5a2o wrote
This is where we are? When a Republican admits they lost an election they lost they get points?
--Cr1imsoN-- t1_ivt5c1a wrote
It’s sad ain’t it?
Nyurena t1_ivtclh6 wrote
And they were the ones worried about participation trophies being given to kids. Always heavy projection...
dojijosu t1_ivthavo wrote
With the GOP every accusation is a confession. Whenever they complain about witch hunts, it makes me strongly suspect them of black magic.
drxdrg08 t1_ivtmcbh wrote
> I have a modicum of more respect to him for conceding like a civilized human being.
Now that the election is over can we admit that Oz is a well educated, polished, highly accomplished professor at Columbia and head of cardiac surgery at a major hospital in Manhattan?
seemyselfouts t1_ivvj5s9 wrote
No.
Sorry Lisa Asplundh Oz.
Should have stayed out of PA.
DoctorSteve t1_ivrftfb wrote
He kills dogs with experiments with no concern for their well being.
He kills humans with misleading pills, scams, and medical advice with no concern for their well being.
He is friends with the dictator of a country who has waged wars on all of its borders.
But sure, he conceded a race he lost. I guess he is a good person after all.
--Cr1imsoN-- t1_ivrg48v wrote
That’s a massive jump… I never said he was a good person. I said I had a modicum of respect for him conceding instead of throwing a fit over some crap over “rigged elections”. A modicum. As in a tiny little slither of respect for just that action. Like I said, Oz can still get fucked.
frugal_masturbater t1_ivrh38d wrote
FWIW your statement makes good sense. He could instead have fanned the flames of his base with accusations, making things worse than they already are.
He may be a person I can't see eye-to-eye with but there's some recognition warranted.
DoctorSteve t1_ivripg2 wrote
For CONCEDING A RACE HE LOST?!
You understand this is continually lowering the bar you set for Republicans? When the bar for a Republican is "losing", and when one loses you go "You know what, I respect that he did not storm Harrisburg with a militia", that is a wake up call for you.
Hold Republicans to a higher standard. Or you are only further pushing the idea of what a "Moderate" Republican is.
frugal_masturbater t1_ivrjv3z wrote
I am not calling him moderate. I'm going simply by the one thing that's being talked about, that he conceded without drama.
He is an extremist and a snake oil salesman. So more the better that he bowed out with some humility. That doesn't mean I consider him moderate at all.
DoctorSteve t1_ivrtk7l wrote
You're giving him credit for conceding. That is embarrassing.
It should NOT be refreshing to see someone concede. You need to keep your standards high. What you did here is dangerous talk. I don't care if you don't like hear it - it's the truth.
poopfeast t1_ivrwhq1 wrote
It shouldn’t be, but it is.
DoctorSteve t1_ivryz60 wrote
It might be refreshing to see a Republican concede instead of start an insurrection, but you have to be vigilant and keep your standards high enough that a Republican can concede and you don't respect them for it.
This is a personal problem, not a societal problem. We need to expect better of a Republican that we don't praise them when they don't start an insurrection.
frugal_masturbater t1_ivs0f94 wrote
I really don't care if you don't like to hear it -- we aren't talking about insurrection. We're talking about a single gesture. I'm sorry you can't compartmentalize things. Have a good one.
DoctorSteve t1_ivs2cbl wrote
I know we aren't talking about an insurrection, because he conceded. And you wrote "it's refreshing that he conceded". What's the alternative? What's the precedent to not conceding?
This is the comparison YOU made. I am telling you why your thinking is dangerous. You don't have to like it but it's true.
I don't know what you told me "I really don't care if you don't like to hear it" for. I don't want an insurrection. But I don't praise people when they don't begin an insurrection. You do.
Get some standards for Republicans.
frugal_masturbater t1_ivs33dz wrote
The alternative has been witnessed over and over since 2020, that can't be news to you.
ALL that was said is that "hey, good thing this chuckle-head didn't join that part of the crazy train." Literally, that's all.
None of the people in this sub-thread want an insurrection. None. It is a small nod to a gesture that asshole Oz could easily have waved off and yelled "fake fake fake."
A small nod to a small gesture. I can't explain it any better.
Torbelson t1_ivrnsnf wrote
Take a pill dude. Better yet smoke a j. I want socialism just as much as you. The more government the better. Free everything for everyone takes time. J it up and wait for the money to roll in.
DoctorSteve t1_ivrtncc wrote
None of that has anything to do with my point.
I am discussing people lowering the bar for Republicans.
Torbelson t1_ivsvjnk wrote
It actually does. See as Democrat I am lowering the bar as a human so that my government can give me free stuff. That makes me a complete piece of shit. I am only voting Democrat for Socialism so that I and democrats just like me never have to work a day in our lives ever again. Gimme Gimme baby!
Talk about lowering the bar.
DoctorSteve t1_ivtxbgh wrote
I am surprised you can still post on here after cheering for John Fetterman's death.
DoctorSteve t1_ivrihvn wrote
I would not give him any respect. He is someone who publicly denies the Armenian Genocide. He's not getting respect for losing a Senate campaign where he got billions of dollars invested into him.
Don't give these people an inch. This isn't a game. He is hate personified.
nashuanuke t1_ivr0rs0 wrote
I'll give Oz credit, in a saner world, he'd make a normal republican.
Which isn't saying much, for the GOP or Oz.
DoctorSteve t1_ivrfwt1 wrote
Dr. Oz was the more extreme of the choice between him and McCormick. And McCormick was an extreme candidate.
Don't let last minute shifting to center fool you on Oz.
SwissyVictory t1_ivs3miu wrote
His republican opponents literally called him a "republican in name only" because he was so moderate.
Come on man, don't fall for propaganda. There's alot to not like about Oz, but he wasn't extreme.
DoctorSteve t1_ivs7kx1 wrote
You understand Oz was Trump's pick, right?
Republicans in a primary attack the other candidates for not being Republican enough. This isn't news. Fetterman got attacks from Lamb for not being enough of a Democrat. Does that mean it's true?
For example, this is an Oz ad from the primaries
This is another one. You've got a Trump comparison, woke media reference, anti-Fauci comment, anti-trans comments, and using the word "fight" which itself is fine, but after the prior comments and references it feels more like a call to violence.
Here's another one, emotional music with insane language
I'm having difficulty finding the right ad, but here's Jimmy Kimmel discussing the ad. And also very clearly illustrating the Oz/Trump connection. There's plenty of longer Oz material online. His primary target until the primary ended was Fauci. He had a 15 second ad where all he did was attack Fauci.
Speaking of calling people RINOS, here's Dr. Oz calling McCormick a RINO. With plenty of Trump added in.
Here's another anti-McCormick ad that is awesome. It was clearly not done by Oz's team. Most of his material is recorded in the wrong direction on his phone.
Here's [an ad the uses the term 'swamp'].(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqeBi3WbG8k)
Here's an insane ad. Dr. Oz's team is really, really bad. If it wasn't for the national influence he'd probably have done nothing. That Wegners ad was the best idea he had.
I can't find the Fauci ad, but it was Dr. Oz in a 15 second ad saying he's going to Fire Fauci.
Anyway - as you can see, he's not moderate. I mean, have you forgotten the Citizens for Sanity ads that ran on his behalf every single second of the Baseball playoffs?
I do not know how short your memory is. But Dr. Oz conceding does not make him a moderate. He is in lock step with someone who led an insurrection against the United States. This is absolutely ridiculous. I do not know how you got to believe this, but this is ridiculous and dangerous thinking. Dr. Oz was the more extreme candidate in the primary, and he is certainly STILL extreme. Just because people pivot towards the center doesn't erase any of this. You need to educate yourself. You are giving credit and respect to an extremely dangerous person. THIS is why the election was so important.
SwissyVictory t1_ivsakte wrote
So your argument is someone who is extreme likes him so he also must be extreme?
Then you posted a bunch of litteral propaganda to show how you're not being fooled by propaganda?
Not to mention alot of what you said arnt extreme views, they are just different than your own.
32% of democrats at atleast one point thought Fauci should resign. How can something be a crazy far right idea when 1/3rd of democrats believe it?
Some of them like the calling not true like the video you posted where you claimed Oz called McCormick a rhino, but it dosent say that or anything similar.
Come on, you're better than this.
NotNowDamo t1_ivspvn9 wrote
You have fucking short term memory problems, dude.
DoctorSteve t1_ivsbsh0 wrote
The video is titled "David McCormick: RINO" and is uploaded by Oz's Youtube.
I am aware you believe in alternative facts, but can you explain why you believe this video - titled "David McCormick: RINO" and uploaded by Oz's Youtube - does not say Dave McCormick is a RINO?
SwissyVictory t1_ivscktr wrote
You're right, the ad has nothing to do with it, but the title they gave it on YouTube does say that.
You also ignored everything else I said, focused on the one point you thought you could win, and then attacked my character.
For the record I voted strait Democrat in this election, including for Fetterman. I dont believe in alternative facts lol.
I do believe that the majority of people calling Oz extreme are the same people who say that every republican is extreme. Those people themselves tend to be the ones that are extreme. They are falling for the propaganda designed to divide us, and it's hurting our country.
DoctorSteve t1_ivsehu1 wrote
I did not ignore it, I chose to focus on one ridiculous statement from you at a time. Now that we've established that the video from Dr. Oz that says "David McCormick: RINO" is real, we can move on.
I don't care how you voted. You are espousing dangerous rhetoric online and it needs to be addressed.
I showed you videos of the following things.
- Oz making very strong statements on the second amendment, on guns, and on using guns to defend against crime - and against the government.
- Oz attacking trans people. Reprehensible.
- Oz referring to the media as "the woke media". A direct extreme right talking point.
- Fauci attacks are a dogwhistle. You are not going to defend Fauci attacks to my face right now. Oz attacked Fauci for months, and Fauci is NOT his opponent in this race. He repeatedly challenged Fauci to debates - sound familiar? Seems like Oz really wanted to pivot to television.
- An ad directed strongly at Republican Moms with one Far Right Republican fear tactic after another. Literally says "there's big threats out there". Fear of outsiders, fear of something foreign, fear of the unknown - as hindbrain pandering comments as you can get.
- Part of his early campaign when it was more relevant, Oz repeatedly went after the pandemic, against science, against lockdowns, against the vaccine, and for conspiracy theories surrounding Covid. This is an EXTREME position. This isn't moderate. The fact he wanted to fire Fauci should speak volumes. A random poll isn't evidence of anything. And looking at the poll itself, it's by The Hill and HarrisX. HarrisX is NOT The Harris Poll. There isn't much of any evidence over what it is. They have a zero engagement Twitter page.. Looking at the author's other articles, they're all clickbait poll garbage. This isn't evidence. Fauci attacks are NOT mainstream, accepted, moderate positions. Stop spreading lies.
- Oz was very strongly (just for the election) anti-abortion. If we've learned anything from last night, America is not anti-abortion. This is an extreme stance.
- This last ad goes through a number of hits in a row. All of them are extreme, far right, direct Donald Trump issues. "Big Tech is silencing conservative voices" screams out as an extreme position. More focus on the border - something that is beyond obviously an extreme far right position. The focus of the ad is that Joe Biden is evil. Joe Biden won the election. That clearly makes this position an extreme on.
- Oz's Donald Trump endorsement video. Which is more RINO-ing about McCormick. You wrote "So your argument is someone who is extreme likes him so he also must be extreme?" The answer is yes. One extreme political figure endorsing the other directly states that the other must also be extreme. Especially when the endorsement is being made because they share the same views. This ad has Donald Trump say "He believes in the MAGA movement 100%". I don't know how you can spin your way out of that. I know you'll try.
Dr. Oz very, very, very evidently was the extreme candidate in the Republican primary. You need to remember this. And you need to stop giving a candidate respect because they did not begin an insurrection.
NotNowDamo t1_ivsq4j8 wrote
Dude, I am pretty sure this is Dr. Oz's alt account.
Better to stop giving this troll oxygen. Oz went extreme during the primary and that guy knows it. The only reasonable explanation is he is trying g to rewrite history to show Oz in a good light so his doctor friends let him come back and do more surgery--the only thing the man can seem to do without lying.
NotNowDamo t1_ivspnm9 wrote
No, it wasn't because he was a moderate. It was because he was a Democrat up until the moment he decided to run.
He literally cherry picked a state, race, and party that he thought he could win. Next time, it may be as a Democrat in Maine for governor. He has no moral compassion and was literally a RINO.
Also, he was the one that got Trumps endorsement because he was denying the results of 2020.
Don't tell me he was a moderate-- he literally said whatever it took to win the primary, then went in the other direction to try and win the general.
TacoNomad t1_ivt7jun wrote
Trump did the same. He followed the path paved by trump, swapping to the party that would vote for him.
Also, during the debate, he said he would support whatever the GOP put out, and criticized Fetterman for opposing ideas from other dems to reinforce that idea.
Oz was merely a pawn in the GOP game, and he was all for it.
NotNowDamo t1_ivtk4bv wrote
I agree. They followed the same playbook, including calling traditional conservatives RINOs.
It was disgusting.
SwissyVictory t1_ivtolz1 wrote
Great, we've got the guy who's evidence is a bunch of propaganda, and now you who's evidence is a bunch of conspiracy theories.
NotNowDamo t1_ivtprb0 wrote
What conspiracy theory?
It literally is what happened.
But you Trumpists will never admit that you are wrong.
SwissyVictory t1_ivtq29b wrote
I never voted for Trump, and I didn't vote for Oz. Try again.
NotNowDamo t1_ivtrkuo wrote
First, a conspiracy involves more than one person. I never accused Oz of being part of a conspiracy, I only documented what we know he did do.
Second:
>I never voted for Trump, and I didn't vote for Oz. Try again.
But you don't mind defending Oz:
Oz said he had discussed the 2020 election with Trump and that “we cannot move on.” McCormick said it was a “tragedy” that most Republican voters in Pennsylvania didn’t believe in the integrity of the election
From: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/25/dr-oz-pennsylvania-debate-trump-00027712
This article also details McCormicks arguments for why he called Oz a RINO, which seems to fit my narrative more than yours.
I never claimed you voted for either, but you obviously are willing to lie about Oz lying about his support.
Good bye.
SwissyVictory t1_ivtv7du wrote
Its a baseless accusation. It's not any better than any of the baseless lies the far right is putting out.
The you used more propaganda from Dave McCormick of all places to back yourself up.
The fact that you instantly assumed I was "the enemy" and went on the offensive as soon as I said anything not extreme is evidence of how divided our country is and how extremism is tearing it apart.
Im not a "Trumpist", defending Oz, or spreading lies by saying that he's a moderate. It's the truth and his policies back that up. If you think his views are extreme its probally beacuse your views are extreme in the other direction. Mastriano was an extremist, Oz wasn't.
You're falling for all the propaganda and lies. Believe it or not, it's on both sides of the isle.
The world is alot better when we all get along.
NotNowDamo t1_ivtwjlv wrote
Hey, Mr. "I NEVER VOTED FOR OZ OR TRUMP BUT I LIE ON THEIR BEHALF ON THE INTERNET."
McCormick didn't say those things about the 2020 election, he said he accepts the results, it was Oz, documented in a Politico article. Just to make it clear there is NO moderation when talking about election results. Either you believe in them or you don't.
Now it is something I should have done from the start and deny you that sweet, sweet dopamine rush by no longer responding to your election and fact denying posts.
Blocked for being a lying, obvious Trump troll.
DoctorSteve t1_ivtxp6x wrote
So you're still active in this thread you're just dodging me?
Makes sense. You've got nothing. Oz is not a moderate and the fact you are continuing to push this idea shows you have an agenda.
ScienceWasLove t1_ivs4ov1 wrote
Lemmings. Most them. Elephants off a cliff.
quietreasoning t1_ivqxppi wrote
Was he doing it from the front of his Jersey mansion?
StarWars_and_SNL t1_ivrx6mg wrote
I miss the old days of class, or class for the cameras at least.
scotticusphd t1_ivrzrrk wrote
Listen to Rachel Maddow's podcast on Spiro Agnew... I don't know that those old days we remember we're ever actually a thing.
gslavik t1_ivslf1m wrote
Weren't elections right after Washington close to a civil war?
One_Awareness6631 t1_ivtkw9u wrote
I bet that made trumpy mad. LOL -- to be a ketchup stain on the wall. He called Maggie Habermann ranting and blaming Melania for election outcomes yesterday! bhahahahahahahaha
PrincessGwyn t1_ivtojnd wrote
Yeah that’s just to protect his brand. You know he’s pissed
DutyRoutine t1_ivum2xr wrote
Yep, Hillary started all that BS.
HahaWeee t1_ivq8a40 wrote
Yup!
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