So here I sit in the dark. Wearing flannel-lined jeans and a hoodie. And I get an email from First Energy saying if I don't conserve electricity there may be managed blackouts. WTF?drxdrg08 t1_j1kt12l wrote
Reply to comment by Grimm2785 in So here I sit in the dark. Wearing flannel-lined jeans and a hoodie. And I get an email from First Energy saying if I don't conserve electricity there may be managed blackouts. WTF? by BeltfedOne
Remember the old days when environmentalists were trying to sink popular opinion about nuke power in the 80s? They succeeded.
Muronelkaz t1_j1l2paz wrote
More like Coal/Oil strangled it in through lobbying, and the environmental activists sometimes get blamed for not understanding technology of the day or technology outpacing them.
GTholla t1_j1mzlws wrote
let's see, who should we blame for nuclear power being shit on, hippies from 40 years ago, or oil and coal companies š¤
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liverbird3 t1_j1l5hjn wrote
There was also that time a nuclear plant melted down within a few miles of the state capitol
but yeah blame shit on the people trying to keep the earth livable for the next generation
106473 t1_j1lm0nj wrote
Wasn't bad, and was managed properly.
Nuclear reactors now are hugely more efficient and safer than back then.
nss68 t1_j1m6vta wrote
Wasn't bad? They literally still hand out iodine tablets to the surrounding residences every year. This area has one of the highest rates of thyroid cancer and other thyroid issues in the country.
Espejo1753 t1_j1mq6zj wrote
And yeah...this
Espejo1753 t1_j1mq3nq wrote
Nuclear waste is the problem. It can't be considered more efficient as long as you have nuclear waste as by-product
Herr_Quattro t1_j1nll73 wrote
But it absolutely can. That radioactive waste is in some cases less toxic then coal ash. If we had fully committed to nuclear energy in the 50-70s, we could be 100% energy independent. And I still think itāll be an incredibly important stepping stone to Fusion Reactors.
106473 t1_j1ol1fw wrote
And thorium reactors that that use waste
Irish_Blond_1964 t1_j1lzqtx wrote
You understand they havenāt built a new nuclear power plant since TMI, right?
kowalski-analy5is t1_j1m0krr wrote
Tennessee opened one in 2016, and Georgia is building another one.
Atrocious_1 t1_j1n8dra wrote
Wow. What part of Pennsylvania are Tennessee and Georgia in
Irish_Blond_1964 t1_j1m1b6f wrote
I stand corrected.Still not a long term solution.
106473 t1_j1mlj8t wrote
There's nothing longer lasting than nuclear power
Irish_Blond_1964 t1_j1o9oo8 wrote
Really? Can you explain that one?
Entire-Job7656 t1_j1n5y6p wrote
Nuclear fusion, whenever it becomes viable, is undeniably the future like it or not. It will eventually be the main source of power for everything. Solar and wind may supplement on a local level, essentially people may use them like they use generators now, but there will never be massive wind and solar farms powering everything.
Even current fission is more likely to play a much bigger role to power the country than wind or solar in the long term. I have nothing against solar panels and windmills, but anyone who believes they could replace fossil fuels entirely or in large part is living in a fantasy. Especially since fusion has so many applications beyond just powering countries.
ktappe t1_j1mkrdc wrote
The French power their entire country safely with nuclear power, and I assure you they are far more environmentally conscious than we are.
BenderIsGreat64 t1_j1m003i wrote
Though they had good intentions, the anti-nuke crowd absolutely did more harm than good.
They should have pushed strictly for MORE solar and wind, not been AGAINST nuclear. There have been how many major nuclear accidents vs how many major fossil fuel accidents? When I was a kid, an oil tanker dumped well over 200k gallons of oil into the Delaware, or when the PES refinery blew up, almost gassing south Philly. How many abandoned coal mines are poisoning our waters?
Alfa505 t1_j1luovg wrote
Yeah wind and solar would fix this, smh
mainelinerzzzzz t1_j1mnm56 wrote
During this latest storm there was not enough sun to produce any meaningful electricity and too much wind to run the turbines.
Espejo1753 t1_j1mpuk2 wrote
Nuclear fusion, not fission is the future
HikerHal t1_j1niu0s wrote
I believe that the sky has giant fusion reactor transmitting gigajoules of power to the earth 24 hours a day.
Fluffy_Dziner t1_j1nlhr8 wrote
Yes, but the problem remains converting enough of it to usable energy and storing enough of it during good weather to keep the power on during long overcast periods like winter.
HikerHal t1_j1nm9p8 wrote
Winter is a hemispheric phenomenon.
Infamous_Translator t1_j1lknsg wrote
Nah, I think TMI did that one lol
IamSauerKraut t1_j1kug9c wrote
'twas in the 70's. And they were right. Nukes are going dark for a different reason, tho. Cannot compete with shale gas.
drxdrg08 t1_j1kuyoo wrote
Fun fact: environmentalist groups that were targeting nuclear energy received money from big oil. They were in direct competition.
Nukes can't compete because they suffer from economies of scale. If there was more nuclear, it would be cheaper per unit built/operated. The world took a wrong turn here. Nuclear is a better source if one goes by facts not emotions.
NewAlexandria t1_j1kvu73 wrote
especially with breeder reactors and related modern designs
i'm sure we'll start to do it again after the people that can profit on fracing are finished profiting on fracing
Ganjaskate t1_j1kwlz6 wrote
Broā¦I hate doing this and Iām not an English perfectionist by any stretch, but āfracingā is legit bothering me so much. Fracking. Lol.
NewAlexandria t1_j1q1fmv wrote
it's an abbreviation of the word 'fracture'
flanny3365 t1_j1l2ejq wrote
I am an English perfectionist and he's right
IamSauerKraut t1_j1odo6w wrote
I hate fracing. Whatever that is.
106473 t1_j1lm77t wrote
Germany shut down all of their nuclear reactors because of environmentalists but it seems the environmentalists were paid by Russia, now Germany is reliant on fossil fuels from Russia and other countries.
They're trying to do the same for France but France has 80% of its energy from nuclear power.
IamSauerKraut t1_j1odxn3 wrote
>Germany shut down all of their nuclear reactors
Isar2 would like to have a word. Neckarwestheim and a couple others, too.
106473 t1_j1okv83 wrote
Thought they shutdown the majority?
IamSauerKraut t1_j1omlsz wrote
>Germany shut down all of their nuclear reactors
Majority =/= all.
IamSauerKraut t1_j1odmkg wrote
>Nuclear is a better source if one goes by facts not emotions.
Right. That's what they said before 1980 at TMI because all that was caused by emotions, not facts, same as in Chernobyl.
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