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WickedDog310 t1_jao308v wrote

Okay, but here's the thing. If an electrician comes to your house says your house is safe then your real estate agent is going to believe them, they aren't the expert, the only thing they can do is get another opinion.

These cops absolutely should have treated her better and should have transported her to another medical facility, she's obviously in need of medical care, and they aren't in the position to provide that. Between the slurring words, the inability to hold herself up, what I'm absolutely sure would be some crazy pupil responses, they absolutely knew she needed care. What's worse is the way the hospital weaponized the police against this woman. The hospital dismissed this woman's pain and legitimate concerns because they couldn't be bothered, and most likely because they are understaffed and burnt out and can't manage the patient loads. Any good nurse will say their main job is patient advocacy, they advocate for patients to get the right combo of meds, they make sure that Dr's who look at charts for .3 seconds don't order something that would hurt the patient.

Pull up Fort Sanders' glass door and you'll see nurses had mandatory overtime, 14:1 patient/nurse ratios, 32:1 patient/CNA ratios, EMTs used in place of nurses, ohh and wait for it.... "Militaristic security force"

This was more than police being police. This was a hospital who knew exactly how police be policing and used them against an elderly woman.

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allhailthehale t1_jao468y wrote

>Okay, but here's the thing. If an electrician comes to your house says your house is safe then your real estate agent is going to believe them, they aren't the expert, the only thing they can do is get another opinion.

Sure. In this case I don't think it's necessarily on the cops that they took her away from the hospital initially-- that's indicative of a fucked up medical system that is using the police as a tool.

But that doesn't excuse the attitude of the cops-- the huge amount of total dick behavior and absolute callousness on display here that led them to ignore her worsening symptoms and make her last moments so horrible.

Both systems are sick. No one gets off the hook here.

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WickedDog310 t1_jao7z0r wrote

I'm not in any way saying it excuses the attitude of the cops. Their attitude, their lack of care and their delay in getting her care. I would think it would be worth looking at to see if it meets the definition of negligent homicide. Can they really stand by and watch someone in medical crisis and not do anything? As she was in their custody they had a duty of care. They can't override the doctors at that medical facility. But it should have been treated like any other trespassing case. Where if I call the police because your trespassing at my house, and you start experiencing a medical emergency, they are required to call an ambulance. I don't care if she was being trespassed from a medical facility. She was in their care and should have received medical transport and a new admit to a different facility.

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barsoapguy t1_jap5pbb wrote

But why would they take her to a new facility when the hospital stated she was fine and ordered her removed ? Wouldn’t she have been arguing with the cops when they arrived that she needed more care , then I’m sure the hospital staff would have argued back that she’s fine and needs to go.

After she’s with the police of course their going to think she was faking it in order to go back to said hospital she was just removed from.

It definitely sounds like the failure was on the hospital.

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