Submitted by bostonglobe t3_zyjixo in RhodeIsland
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Proof-Variation7005 t1_j26dnbr wrote
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/zxowl9/us_housing_shortage/
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This really illustrates it well. Also, there was this weird thing in the last couple of years where a bunch of people moved away from densely populated areas or died. Panda something
huron9000 t1_j28xarc wrote
“Panda something” lol
Proof-Variation7005 t1_j28xyqb wrote
it had a stupid name and i like pandas better
huron9000 t1_j292gyj wrote
I really liked your phrasing!
bunnybates t1_j27kcdt wrote
Exactly!
Accurate-Historian-7 t1_j2739nb wrote
People anywhere can’t afford to live. Cost of living in America has become insane. Utilities are sky high, tax, homes, home maintenance, food, etc.
UnsuspectingTaco t1_j27ezbe wrote
Surely wages have increased in tandem to offset these increasing costs. Wait, they haven’t?
goldfish855 t1_j28p0n0 wrote
I moved from RI to SW Missouri for exclusively financial reasons and people down here always ask if salaries are higher since rent is double or more. And then I tell them I make more in MO because graduate degrees are fewer and farther between down there.
But I still miss the f*ck out of New England. Tryna get my money right and move back closer st least.
Mountain_Bill5743 t1_j29z05p wrote
South West Missouri is just a different world. But hit up Johnson Shut-ins and camp in the Ozarks while you're there.
thirdtimesthemom t1_j27omo1 wrote
I think the same is true in Canada
smokejaguar t1_j28n0qa wrote
It's actually worse in Canada, which is precisely why they passed legislation curtailing property ownership by non citizens.
smokejaguar t1_j28n4fx wrote
If i recall correctly, Rhode Island was either last or second to last when it came to residential building permits issued US wide.
Americ-anfootball t1_j2909o0 wrote
Vermont and Rhode Island have traded 49th and 50th place for housing permits for probably a decade now, shits grim
smokejaguar t1_j296hhi wrote
I can't blame younger people for wanting to leave the state. Buying your first home at 35 because entry level units are 300k+ is just nuts.
Electrical-Oven3741 t1_j2ada1p wrote
The only less populated states are out west, where land is cheap. Of course RI and VT are at the bottom for housing permits per year.
lawthrowaway101 t1_j292sfv wrote
Isnt that everywhere right now? Genuine question
Swamp_yankee_ninja t1_j293woo wrote
Well, you can still buy land up north for a reasonable price, however the catch is, you better be self sufficient.
smokejaguar t1_j297f0t wrote
Midwest and South too. I'd be willing to bet that some of the former rust belt cities might see a revival as industry moves back to the United States and Mexico.
bostonglobe OP t1_j266dmq wrote
From the story by reporter Danny MacDonald:
Massachusetts and Rhode Island have lost residents over the past two years, part of an overall population drain in the Northeast, as Americans migrate south and west, according to new US Census figures.
... Rhode Island, meanwhile, saw its population decline by about 3,200 residents between July 2021 and July 2022. The Ocean State topped out at 1,097,371 residents in 2020, but this summer, that figure stood at 1,093,734, according to Census figures.
All told, 18 states experienced a population decline between July 2021 and July 2022. New York, California, and Illinois all experienced six-figure losses in population, which were the biggest decreases in the nation.
The populations of other New England states saw some growth year over year. Maine added about 8,100 residents. New Hampshire added about 7,700. Connecticut added about 2,800, and Vermont grew by a little more than 90 residents.
Overall, however, the Northeast experienced a population drain of nearly 219,000 residents year over year, as the South and West grew by 1.3 million and 153,000, respectively. (The Midwest saw a population decline of nearly 49,000 residents.)
lazydictionary t1_j27b9pd wrote
A 0.27% loss is nothing
TheSausageFattener t1_j28jc37 wrote
Its not much but it is a reversal. Going from decent growth to minor decline is still important, even in a brief time frame. Providence grew by about 7% in the past 10 years.
mrlolloran t1_j2ar22v wrote
Yeah lots people don’t realize that capitalist societies rely on consistent 3-5% population growth and if that stops things can slowly start to get weird
quahaug1945 t1_j26li7a wrote
All the people moving to Florida every day are coming from somewhere.
stevemandudeguy t1_j271pix wrote
It's expensive to live here and there's no new affordable housing.
EmperorAnthony t1_j26w70d wrote
Retirees moving to NH and Maine for piece and quiet while rural areas in MA, RI, and CT see declines due to lack of jobs and expensive costs of living. Nothing really new within the past decade. CT and MA are essentially the same when it comes to where the population growth occurs. Areas closest to Boston and areas closest to NYC see the most growth. Farther you go away, you start to see population decline. RI has Providence which is keeping it close to stagnant because it’s a vibrant city.
saucyB52 t1_j26tled wrote
tha less tha better
thats wat ole capin jack used ta say anyway
Jmac3366 t1_j28d3cu wrote
In general it would appear that ppl are drawn to more rural areas and RIs have been in a decline for a long time. States like Maine and New Hampshire are much more friendly to a rural lifestyle than RI at this point. In addition I’m sure Covid related career changes factored into this
TheSausageFattener t1_j28k2ud wrote
I agree with you in terms of mechanics and COVID, but if thats the case then I’m honestly not bothered by it. Rhode Island has very few areas classified as rural and that isn’t going to change.
Ironically if this rural shift is true, in a way it conflicts with the resolution for high housing costs. If the demand was for single family homes in more sprawled areas then the typical solutions of upzoning and creating “smart growth” districts are basically dead in those places. But, creating more single family homes isn’t a great solution either.
wyzapped t1_j28ses2 wrote
Didn’t a lot of people move away from expensive areas to telework during the pandemic? Could be related to that.
Loveroffinerthings t1_j26yalh wrote
It’s just so nice and warm in the south
gaiusjozka t1_j27hcio wrote
But here it's cooler, warmer.
Opticalpopsicle1074 t1_j2aost0 wrote
Cost of living is too high, and bad Covid legislation hit healthcare workers especially hard here in RI the last two years, a lot were fired. Why stay if you can’t get employment? Easy to move to another state to work, even if it costs a couple hundred to get another license. Even my chiropractor left. Now they cry that the hospitals have no staff boo-hoo. You reap what you sow.
BMorris2526 t1_j296kup wrote
Smart people fleeing the high tax welfare states.
NickEJ02903 t1_j2776ab wrote
Boomers retiring to where it's warm. News at 11. Seriously, that's the only reason to move to the South and West. If you aren't old, you're just gonna exacerbate the drought/wildfire/flooding problems and live long enough that they'll kill you.
Falsse_Flag t1_j28ovlz wrote
Looks like they's be fucked if they didn't bring in all those immigrants.
Independent-Area-552 t1_j28pnh0 wrote
No shit they are ran by morons
Physical-Half-5424 t1_j26a68x wrote
Well no shit. You keep taxing the people who actually work of course people are going to move elsewhere. Not to mention the cost of living where people are fleeing from are insane!
Proof-Variation7005 t1_j26c1lb wrote
What taxes do you think have changed?
SharpCookie232 t1_j26gw3i wrote
Also, we have high taxes, but we also have a very high standard of living and first-rate social services compared to other parts of the US. We're getting what we're paying for, with the possible exception of public transportation.
Null_Error7 t1_j26qq5y wrote
SALT tax cap in 2016(?) was a major hit
Proof-Variation7005 t1_j26udph wrote
True but that’s a federal change. Not exactly specific to RI/MA
Null_Error7 t1_j26v9te wrote
Ok but it still effects why people leave
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DrMonkeyLove t1_j292kdz wrote
Making people get the COVID vaccine is the best thing you can do if you actually care about people's health, but then again, science is hard for some people.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2a003j wrote
Patient zero of covid-19 in my household was full vaccinated including the booster.
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2acolj wrote
Anecdotes aren't science. Also, what is your point? So that person probably had a much less severe having been vaccinated.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2acvqt wrote
He got the entire household infected. Entire household was also vaccinated.
It'd have to prevent spread in order to potentially justify people being "made" to take the vaccine.
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2adjmh wrote
And? Vaccines don't prevent 100% if cases, and they weren't as effective against certain variants. They were exceptional at preventing severe disease and hospitalization though. I still don't know what your point is.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2advh5 wrote
I don't know what your point is. You want to "make" people take a vaccine that doesn't stop the spread. Why?
I don't think even China was forcing people to get vaccinated, and they are basically a dictatorship.
You basically want a dictatorship where bodily autonomy no longer exists. Where people aren't allowed to evaluate potential side effects of a vaccine, and are instead pinned down and injected against their will.
I hope you aren't a real doctor.
Also, Joe Biden ran for president saying he was against mandating the vaccine. Forcibly Mandating the vaccine is a fringe opinion tbh. We still have an least some level of personal freedom in this country. Thankfully.
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2af0jy wrote
Vaccines aren't about "stopping" the spread; they dramatically reduce the spread, which they were very successful at. They also dramatically decreased hospitalizations and deaths.
And no, I don't want people to evaluate potential side effects, because too many people lack the basic scientific literacy to actually do so. The vaccines were proven to be both safe and effective and you still have idiots out there calling them "poison", so no, I don't think I want those people making decisions that affect the health of society.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2ah0f6 wrote
>Vaccines aren't about "stopping" the spread; they dramatically reduce the spread, which they were very successful at. They also dramatically decreased hospitalizations and deaths.
Joe Biden said they stopped the spread
#President Biden tests positive for COVID, a year after he said vaccines prevent infections
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2022/president-joe-biden-coronavirus-vaccinated/
>And no, I don't want people to evaluate potential side effects, because too many people lack the basic scientific literacy to actually do so.
Says the guy who calls himself a doctor but isn't actually a doctor. Also this is hilariously elitist and violates the concept of individual bodily autonomy
> The vaccines were proven to be both safe and effective and you still have idiots out there calling them "poison", so no, I don't think I want those people making decisions that affect the health of society.
I guess Biden and Harris are idiots to you because they ran for president promising no covid vaccine mandate.
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2akx2x wrote
I'm sorry, do you think because I have a goofy screen name that I'm pretending to be an actual doctor? Do think this dumb screen name I have because of some dumb joke we had in college is implying I'm pretending to be a real doctor? Are you serious? Have you ever been on the Internet before today? Also, last time I checked, Joe Biden was just the president, not a medical researcher, so I'm going to just tell you now, you're really grasping at straws with this reply...
Sarcofaygo t1_j2anx6q wrote
Did Joe bidens vaccine and booster prevent him from catching COVID-19?
Also, you said people should be "made" to take the vaccine, that policy would have to come from a political leader such as jor Biden, who you admit isn't a medical researcher and was saying things that weren't true about the vaccine. So whose call should it be? Anthony faucis? The guy who also caught covid despite being fully vaccinated and boosted?
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2auyql wrote
Do you think vaccines didn't dramatically decrease the spread of COVID and didn't dramatically decrease hospitalizations?
Sarcofaygo t1_j2av91h wrote
#Covid is no longer mainly a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Here’s why.
For the first time, a majority of Americans dying from the coronavirus received at least the primary series of the vaccine.
Fifty-eight percent of coronavirus deaths in August [2022] were people who were vaccinated or boosted, according to an analysis conducted for The Health 202 by Cynthia Cox, vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation.
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2avx6t wrote
That's because so many people were vaccinated! The pools are different sizes. It would be much worse if they weren't vaccinated.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2aw94o wrote
>That's because so many people were vaccinated!
Shouldn't that make it more effective, not less?
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2ax4e4 wrote
If 300 million people are vaccinated and 42 people aren't vaccinated, and 58 vaccinated people die and all 42 unvaccinated people die, then 58% of the deaths would be in vaccinated people, but obviously vaccination makes the most statistical sense. This isn't hard.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2b0gfd wrote
It's 58%, not 58 people. Jesus.
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2b12pl wrote
Look at my example genius. In my example, using exaggerated numbers, it's 58% too. I used exaggerated numbers to explain why 58% of deaths being vaccinated isn't that big a deal when the vast majority of people are vaccinated.
If 80+% of the population is vaccinated, but just over 50% of deaths are in vaccinated people, that still tells you that unvaccinated people are a disproportionate share of the deaths, which tells you getting vaccinated is the smart thing to do.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2b1e38 wrote
It's so "smart" that as of August 2022 you are statistically more likely to die of covid if you are vaccinated than if you are unvaccinated 💀
At the very least, this illustrates how stupid it'd be to mandate the vaccine, and why it should be a personal choice.
Biden had it right initially when he ran on NO vaccine mandate for covid. 😇
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2b21aw wrote
Holy shit you are bad at math. The example I gave (and reality) show that you are more likely to die from COVID if you are unvaccinated. A higher percentage of the unvaccinated population dies from COVID, period. You just can't seem to comprehend that the vaccinated population is just much larger than the unvaccinated population.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2b4re5 wrote
You are bad at medicine if you think that the majority of covid deaths being vaccinated is a positive development. The vaccines have failed. And you are clearly frustrated about it which is why you want people to be forced injected like some sort of horror movie. It won't work, but it will make you feel better, I guess.
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2b80xo wrote
So by your logic, if 100% of the population were vaccinated, and then one person died from COVID, meaning 100% of COVID deaths were in vaccinated people, then no one should be vaccinated because they obviously don't work? You are staggeringly bad at understanding basic math and statistics that I suspect you're beyond help.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2awj5u wrote
> The pools are different sizes. It would be much worse if they weren't vaccinated.
It doesn't get much worse than dying!
58% of covid deaths in August 2022 were vaccinated. Woof
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2awnqm wrote
No, the number of people dying would be higher. Don't be obtuse.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2b0osm wrote
At this point your "argument" is
"If you aren't vaccinated and get covid and die, it's cause you didn't get vaccinated"
"If you ARE vaccinated and get covid and die, you are still dead, but at least you were a good person for getting vaccinated"
💀💀💀
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2b2890 wrote
No, it's that statistically, you are much less likely to die from COVID if you are vaccinated. You just failed math class and can't understand how to read the report you linked.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2b4frf wrote
Even if you actually believe that, vaccination is a choice people should be allowed to make themselves.
Biden and Kamala had it right before the election when they ran on no covid vaccine mandate.
If the vaccination actually works, then you should be protected regardless, and thus anyone skeptical of the vaccine doesn't need to be strapped down and forcibly injected like some sort of Stephen King horror movie. As you apparently advocate.
But as it currently stands, most covid deaths are vaccinated, statistically. Woof.
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2b8ylu wrote
>But as it currently stands, most covid deaths are vaccinated, statistically. Woof
That's because vaccinated people make up 80+% of the population (and 97% with at least one dose)! That means the less than 20% unvaccinated population makes up 42% of the deaths! Which shows being unvaccinated is fucking dumb.
I can't try and teach someone basic math over the Internet. I'm sorry your 7th grade math teacher failed you so badly.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2bakqh wrote
Shouldn't the majority of covid deaths be unvaccinated if vaccine prevents death? 🥲🥲
It's almost like people shouldn't be forcibly pinned down and forced to take the injection!
I'm so happy that isn't the case, despite your wishes. Not even China does that and they are a dictatorship.
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2bbkgk wrote
Wow. Just wow. You can't comprehend that the vast majority of people are vaccinated. Like, you just don't understand how this basic math works. I give up. I can't try anymore. You fail at understanding basic math. Let me try saying it a different way: a much higher percentage of the unvaccinated population dies from COVID than does the vaccinated population. Period. That's a fact. Your 58% number doesn't mean shit given that so many more people are vaccinated than are not. But you just don't get basic math.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2bbvg4 wrote
You don't get basic human rights if you think people should be forced to take a vaccine that doesn't stop the spread (supposedly lockdowns were until we all got vaccinated to "stop the spread") and even more embarrassingly, doesn't even stop death.
Im glad that your dream of people being forcibly injected didn't come true. Better luck next pandemic.
Even if everyone got forcibly injected by unspecified government officials, it wouldn't stop the spread. Because the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission. It wouldn't even stop deaths from covid. Vaccinated people still drop dead from the disease.
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2be793 wrote
>It wouldn't even stop deaths from covid. Vaccinated people still drop dead from the disease.
Sigh. At a significantly lower rate, but you go right ahead and keep ignoring that fact.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2bi5ya wrote
Does that justify people being strapped down a table and forcibly injected? What if they are immunocomprimised and can't safely take the vaccine? What if they have pre existing heart conditions?
Im guessing you didn't think that far into it
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2djifr wrote
Well, considering zero people have been strapped down and given a COVID shot, your point is moot. But do I think people in healthcare should be required to get a vaccine to continue their employment? Yes, duh.
Oh hey, guess what, if you have a preexisting heart condition, you're better off getting a vaccine because the complications from getting COVID are likely to be worse than that of the vaccine. But you know, science.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2dkohp wrote
>Well, considering zero people have been strapped down and given a COVID shot, your point is moot.
Thats your point. You said that people should be made to get the covid vaccine
>But do I think people in healthcare should be required to get a vaccine to continue their employment? Yes, duh.
What's the point of that when the CDC said that covid positive employees can return to work before fully recovering? I recall there was an outbreak at Slater Memorial hospital due to that policy.
>Oh hey, guess what, if you have a preexisting heart condition, you're better off getting a vaccine because the complications from getting COVID are likely to be worse than that of the vaccine.
Doesn't this falsely assume that getting the vaccine prevents someone from getting covid? 🤔
You already previously admitted that Joe Biden was misinformed when he said taking the vaccine means you won't get covid. Now you are saying the same false) thing. Woof.
> But you know, science.
You just misinterpreted the science and falsely implied that someone with a heart condition who gets the vaccine will not get covid.
This was a talking point from a while ago which falsely implies that taking the vaccine or getting covid is a binary either/or. It's clearly not.
- Joe Biden
- Jill Biden
- Kamala Harris
- Bill Clinton
- Hillary Clinton
- Bill Gates
- Anthony Fauci
All of the above got covid while fully vaccinated and boosted.
So much for....
>Oh hey, guess what, if you have a preexisting heart condition, you're better off getting a vaccine because the complications from getting COVID are likely to be worse than that of the vaccine.
Getting the vaccine does not prevent someone with or without a heart condition from getting covid. It's not an either/or.
But you don't know science.
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2dl7c8 wrote
It doesn't 100% COVID and no one in the scientific community ever claimed it did. It greatly lessened the severity of the disease if you did catch it though, but you just ignore that fact over and over again. I can't continue this conversation anymore. You're too far gone down the anti-science rathole to help. You're going to live the rest of your life in profound ignorance I fear.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2do6pe wrote
You just said that getting a vaccine prevents covid entirely
>Oh hey, guess what, if you have a preexisting heart condition, you're better off getting a vaccine because the complications from getting COVID are likely to be worse than that of the vaccine.
The same false thing that Biden said.
#President Biden tests positive for COVID, a year after he said vaccines prevent infections
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2022/president-joe-biden-coronavirus-vaccinated/
Which you previously admitted was false.
Vaccines do not prevent infections yet you falsely imply that they do for patients with heart conditions. Not true. 👏
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2dp341 wrote
Wow. You actually did fail English. You clearly don't know what "complication" means in medicine and you lack basic reading comprehension. All the things I said are true and are independent of each other.
A person with heart disease should get the vaccine.
A person with heart disease who is vaccinated will likely have a better outcome if they get COVID.
A person with heart disease who gets vaccinated is less likely to catch COVID.
A person with heart disease who is unvaccinated and catches COVID is much more likely to have a serious form of the disease that may require hospitalization and may lead to death.
Please pay careful attention to the use of the word "likely" and look it up in a dictionary if you need to.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2dprps wrote
That's not what you initially said. You initially gave me the Joe Biden style misinformation that vaccines prevent covid full stop
>Oh hey, guess what, if you have a preexisting heart condition, you're better off getting a vaccine because the complications from getting COVID are likely to be worse than that of the vaccine.
#President Biden tests positive for COVID, a year after he said vaccines prevent infections
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2022/president-joe-biden-coronavirus-vaccinated/
Biden had the compilications of the vaccine AND the complications of COVID. A 2 for 1 special!
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2dr257 wrote
That's literally exactly what I said, you just can't understand basic English it seems. The sentence I wrote means that whatever vaccine side effects you have plus whatever symptoms you have if you do get COVID are likely going to be overall better than what happens if you are unvaccinated and get COVID. That's it, and that is a fact backed by empirical scientific data.
So that means Joe Biden likely had a much better outcome from being vaccinated and dealing with whatever side effects he had from the vaccines than he would have if he caught COVID and was unvaccinated.
This isn't hard. Try reading beyond a 1st grade level and see if that helps.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2droyp wrote
Nope nope nope 🙅♂️
You said either/or. Either you get covid, OR you get vaccinated.
That falsely implies getting the vaccine means you won't get covid
Yet health care workers who were fully vaccinated still got covid
And were then told by the CDC they could go back to work while "asymptomatic" lmao
Where they of course... spread covid while vaccinated.
🤧🤧🤧🤧
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2dtxq3 wrote
No, I didn't. Now you're just making up things you think I said to try and justify your baseless argument. Now you're just delusional.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2dzeaz wrote
I think you are delusional to think that mandating health care workers gets vaccinated would change anything when fully vaccinated health care workers can still catch and spread the disease
#COVID-positive employees can work after Eleanor Slater Hospital declares staffing 'crisis'
4 days later....
#Outbreak reported at Rhode Island hospital after Covid-positive, asymptomatic staff asked to work
Woof
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2dzupd wrote
No, no, no, I want you to address that you're lying about what I said. Why do you have to lie about what I said? Why are you lying? Why should I have any conversation with a blatant liar?
Proof-Variation7005 t1_j2aokdr wrote
>I don't know what your point is. You want to "make" people take a vaccine that doesn't stop the spread. Why?
Because there are households where people got vaccinated and that prevented one or more of them from getting sick.
Assuming anything less than 100% effective is 0% effective shows a profound misunderstanding of how this shit works. It's logically the same as claiming that brushing your teeth is useless because people who brush their teeth still can get cavities.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2ap7td wrote
>Because there are households where people got vaccinated and that prevented one or more of them from getting sick.
Everyone in my household was at least two-shot vaccinated. My brother also had the booster.
He gave covid-19 to everyone else in the household, while fully vaccinated and boosted. Everyone in the household was boosted besides myself. Yet those family members with the booster got the same COVID-19 that I did.
Vaccines and/or boosters didn't prevent a single person in my household from testing positive.
> Assuming anything less than 100% effective is 0% effective shows a profound misunderstanding of how this shit works. It's logically the same as claiming that brushing your teeth is useless because people who brush their teeth still can get cavities.
The president (falsely) promote the vaccines as being 100% effective. He then caught covid-19 while "fully vaccinated and boosted" one year later.
#President Biden tests positive for COVID, a year after he said vaccines prevent infections
https://www.poynter.org/reporting-editing/2022/president-joe-biden-coronavirus-vaccinated/
He needed Paxlovid, an AIDS drug, in order to survive. His vaccine and booster didn't get the job done.
So no, it should not be mandated. Especially when the people leading our government like Joe Biden don't even understand how the vaccine works, and spew misinformation about it while promoting its supposed efficacy.
Proof-Variation7005 t1_j2b2z05 wrote
>Everyone in my household was at least two-shot vaccinated. My brother also had the booster.
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>He gave covid-19 to everyone else in the household, while fully vaccinated and boosted. Everyone in the household was boosted besides myself. Yet those family members with the booster got the same COVID-19 that I did.
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>Vaccines and/or boosters didn't prevent a single person in my household from testing positive.
I get the sense you haven't been told this enough in life, but you and your entire family don't matter. It's irrelevant anecdotal evidence that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.
In a single household, it means even less once one person is infected. Everyone is being exposed far more at home unless you've all got the ability to isolate 24/7, have good ventilation, 100% mask wearing 100% of the time.
People die in car accidents with seatbelts and airbags. That doesn't mean seatbelts and airbags don't prevent death, or even injury. It just means that nothing is 100% and nobody with any sense should expect it to be that way.
People who get vaccinated can still get sick. Some can even get seriously ill. Others can even die. That doesn't mean it doesn't work, on some level, for the majority of vaccinated people. This is the same as every vaccine in human history. The wider the participation, the better it works because there's less people getting infected, shorter and milder illnesses that tend to lower the R0 number of the disease (how many people each infected person will infect), and those infections tend to be milder so we don't collapse the healthcare system by overrunning hospitals.
This thing works better if everyone does the bare minimum of just keeping up with their shots, so my patience for those who refuse to do that or those who excuse others for doing that, is at an all-time low.
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>don't even understand how the vaccine works, and spew misinformation about it while promoting its supposed efficacy.
You've repeatedly demonstrated you do not understand at all how this shit works.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2b3m3p wrote
>I get the sense you haven't been told this enough in life, but you and your entire family don't matter. It's irrelevant anecdotal evidence that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.
The vaccine meant nothing in my household. We all caught covid from a fully vaccinated and boosted family member.
>In a single household, it means even less once one person is infected. Everyone is being exposed far more at home unless you've all got the ability to isolate 24/7, have good ventilation, 100% mask wearing 100% of the time.
I thought it was supposed to stop the spread? That wasn't my experience. We all had covid while fully vaccinated.
Also
It doesn't matter how low your patience is, because the vaccine doesn't stop the spread. It should not be mandated. The person I initially replied to said people should be pinned down and "made" to take the vaccine. Joe Biden had it right before the election when he initially campaigned on NO vaccine mandate.
#Omicron: 3 vaccine doses are not enough to stop the new COVID variant, warns BioNTech CEO
#Covid is no longer mainly a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Here’s why.
For the first time, a majority of Americans dying from the coronavirus received at least the primary series of the vaccine.
Fifty-eight percent of coronavirus deaths in August were people who were vaccinated or boosted, according to an analysis conducted for The Health 202 by Cynthia Cox, vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation.
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2b8ccc wrote
If you think vaccines exist to 100% stop the spread of diseases, you are profoundly misinformed.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2bbqjt wrote
The covid vaccine was promoted by Joe Biden as 100% stopping the spread. Yet he caught covid 19 while fully vaccinated. It's almost like politicians shouldn't be mandating the vaccine.
Also, China tried your preferred method of stripping peoples human rights to fight covid, and it didn't work. Just open a newspaper.
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2beh69 wrote
Is your only anti-vax talking point related to what Joe Biden said once? What the fuck? Is that because you can't possibly argue the science? You obviously can't argue the math.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2bhqi0 wrote
The thing Biden said was a pro-vax talking point. It just so happened to be a lie. Not sure how you can't grasp that.
Idk why you are so passionate about big pharma. Do you own stock in them or something? Its not against the law to not trust big pharma...yet.
you ever hear of the prescription opioid crisis? Where big pharma encouraged overprescription of dangerous medicine 💊 knowing it could harm people and decided to just say fuck it, the fines will just be a cost of doing business? 🤔
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2dj7xe wrote
And now you change subject to opioids. You know why I'm so pro vaccine? BECAUSE VACCINES HAVE SAVED MILLIONS OF LIVES!
Sarcofaygo t1_j2dl33z wrote
Did they save the lived of the "fully" vaccinated people who died of covid?
Or is it one of those "death with dignity" things where they might be dead but at least big pharma got paid from them taking the vaccine so it's totally cool 😎
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2dlvm1 wrote
No one claimed it was going to save 100% of those vaccinated either! Did it save 100% of the vaccinated people from dying from COVID? No, it only saved like 99%, which apparently isn't good enough for you because you need some stupid talking points and you can't possibly back anything you say up with science, so you just keep running deeper and deeper down the whataboutism road. Apparently the only vaccines you think anyone should get are the ones that are 100% effective at preventing infection. Guess what, those don't exist! Yet somehow vaccines have ris the world of measles and polio, but I guess that's not good enough for you. Next time you feel sick, stay away from the hospital and doctors that rely on science, and instead go let some leeches suck the illness out of you.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2dnkq0 wrote
>No one claimed it was going to save 100% of those vaccinated either!
Is this you?
>Oh hey, guess what, if you have a preexisting heart condition, you're better off getting a vaccine because the complications from getting COVID are likely to be worse than that of the vaccine.
Falsely implying that taking the vaccine means people won't get covid, and thus won't die of covid. You made that claim
DrMonkeyLove t1_j2do1zv wrote
Where did I claim 100%? Did you fail math and English? What school did you go to so I can make sure my kids never go there? Are you too thick to admit what 100% means? Guess what, the person who was fully vaccinated and died from COVID was definitely going to die from COVID if they weren't vaccinated. This isn't hard to understand for people who made it through middle school.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2dooum wrote
>Oh hey, guess what, if you have a preexisting heart condition, you're better off getting a vaccine because the complications from getting COVID are likely to be worse than that of the vaccine.
The bolded is a false binary dichotomy because someone with the vaccine can still get covid.
Saying that someone with a heart condition that gets the vaccine won't suffer the complications from getting covid is not true. They can still suffer them because the vaccine doesn't prevent them from getting covid.
Anthony Fauci got covid while fully vaccinated and boosted. So he got the potential side effects of the vaccine and booster AND the potential side effects of covid. Get it?
Proof-Variation7005 t1_j2b8w15 wrote
>The vaccine meant nothing in my household. We all caught covid from a fully vaccinated and boosted family member.
Again, your family doesn't matter. Jesus titty fucking christ. Get it through your head that your extremely fucking limited experience is irrelevant in contradiction of broader statisticcs.
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>I thought it was supposed to stop the spread? That wasn't my experience. We all had covid while fully vaccinated.
That's the goal. If we'd been able to deliver vaccines globally with as close to universal adoption rate, we would have maybe had a chance to do that before new mutations took hold. Part of that was unavoidable because of production and distribution limits and 3rd world nations with limited resources. Other parts were hurt because other countries settled on a less effective version of the vaccine.
And it was all doomed because enough people held out long enough and now we've got a situation where a booster specifically designed for Omicron variants has been ignored by like 80% of the population.
>It should not be mandated. The person I initially replied to said people should be pinned down and "made" to take the vaccine
I'm willing to compromise and just limit the ability to interact with those who refuse. In schools, treat it like the dozen other vaccines that are required to attend. And maybe we can have a "fuck around and find out" thing where instead of a hospital bed or known effective therapies, the unvaccinated can trust their immune system to the grave.
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>For the first time, a majority of Americans dying from the coronavirus received at least the primary series of the vaccine.
Fifty-eight percent of coronavirus deaths in August were people who were vaccinated or boosted, according to an analysis conducted for The Health 202 by Cynthia Cox, vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation.
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I see you're as good at math as you are at science. Something like 80% of the US population has received 1 dose, with fully vaccinated being like 65% or so. Among higher risk groups like the elderly, those numbers are even higher.
This is like pointing out that most people who died of COVID are right-handed and pretending a link must exist instead of just realizing that THERE ARE A FUCKTON MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE RIGHT-HANDED IN THE WORLD.
This is classic base-rate fallacy bullshit.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2bbd9i wrote
>Again, your family doesn't matter. Jesus titty fucking christ. Get it through your head that your extremely fucking limited experience is irrelevant in contradiction of broader statisticcs.
Why are you so angry?
>That's the goal. If we'd been able to deliver vaccines globally with as close to universal adoption rate, we would have maybe had a chance to do that before new mutations took hold.
"Would have maybe" There's a lot of qualifiers there. No guarantee it'd actually work.
>Part of that was unavoidable because of production and distribution limits and 3rd world nations with limited resources. Other parts were hurt because other countries settled on a less effective version of the vaccine.
Our "more effective" vaccine still didn't stop the spread.
>And it was all doomed because enough people held out long enough and now we've got a situation where a booster specifically designed for Omicron variants has been ignored by like 80% of the population.
People lost faith in the vaccines after the caught covid-19 while "fully vaccinated".
>I'm willing to compromise and just limit the ability to interact with those who refuse. In schools, treat it like the dozen other vaccines that are required to attend. And maybe we can have a "fuck around and find out" thing where instead of a hospital bed or known effective therapies, the unvaccinated can trust their immune system to the grave.
Isn't that basically what China tried? They don't have human rights there. It didn't work.
>I see you're as good at math as you are at science. Something like 80% of the US population has received 1 dose, with fully vaccinated being like 65% or so. Among higher risk groups like the elderly, those numbers are even higher.
And yet, they ate still dying of covid. Damn.
>This is like pointing out that most people who died of COVID are right-handed and pretending a link must exist instead of just realizing that THERE ARE A FUCKTON MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE RIGHT-HANDED IN THE WORLD.
Okay? Its still no longer a pandemic of the unvaccinated.
>This is classic base-rate fallacy bullshit.
I guess? Take it up with the Washington post and Kaiser Family Foundation, I'm just reporting the news.
Proof-Variation7005 t1_j2amz7u wrote
I once went out on a super cold day in January wearing thermal socks and underwear, multiple layers, scarf, hat, gloves, the whole thing.
I still felt cold.
Clearly, that's the same as if I'd tried to go outside naked.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2andgj wrote
Forcing people to get the vaccine violates their personal freedom and right to bodily autonomy
Especially a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread of the disease
Proof-Variation7005 t1_j2ao1ke wrote
I agree the vaccine shouldn't be forced. You guys should have had the choice to be excluded from society instead. The world will benefit if the people who loudly and proudly fail the easiest character test of the 21st century had been confined to their homes indefinitely.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2aogbh wrote
It's funny cause Biden and Fauci took the vaccine and boosters and still caught COVID-19. Both of them needed an AIDS drug called Paxlovid to survive. Their vaccine couldn't save them. So much for your character test.
Also, China tried your approach of confining people against their will, it didn't work. More than 50% of each plane from China is covid positive. Damn
Proof-Variation7005 t1_j2atf9s wrote
Neither Biden nor Fauci spent 1 day in the hospital. Neither one even really stopped working. They took paxlovid because, at that point, it was proven to be effective in mitigating the severity of infection. You don't take chances with the most important person in the country even if they felt fine. If the president tested positive for the flu, he's still getting Tamiflu regardless of how mild his case might be.
Paxlovid is not and has never been an AIDS drug. It was developed for SARS-COV2 starting in 2020, partially based off an aborted attempt at a SARS antiviral from 2003. It went through a year and a half of development and trials before getting emergency authorization and it's very likely helped save many lives. A big part of the reason we have little to no concern as a society now is because of how effective Paxlovid and vaccines have been at keeping hospitals from being overwhelmed and deaths from spiking.
Sarcofaygo t1_j2au9da wrote
Weird, the person who gave covid to the rest of my household was fully vaccinated and boosted. It's almost like the vaccine didn't work as advertised
Also, China tried your proposed method of forcibly confining people, it didn't work. Their cases keep spiking. Even with their lack of human rights which allows their government to do pretty much whatever they want as far as covid mitigation methods
WhatsGood401 t1_j26d1g2 wrote
Wonder if its due to the good massas we continue to vote for. #wokeforwhat
Proof-Variation7005 t1_j26fn8p wrote
Is "woke" in the room with you right now?
azknight t1_j2ehbfp wrote
They made the green M&M less sexy and he hasn’t been ok since.
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LionMcTastic t1_j26zh2m wrote
Can you show me on the doll where woke has touched you?
_CaesarAugustus_ t1_j26k5x9 wrote
Whatsgood? Not you mate.
Peach_enby t1_j26vjr4 wrote
woke is an anti racist term right. So when you’re anti woke, you’re just revealing your self as racist.
Swamp_yankee_ninja t1_j26arwx wrote
Well, rental and real estate is at an all time high, taxes are high and the incentives to stay are low. People just can’t afford to live here.