Submitted by citytiger t3_xvv5yd in UpliftingNews
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thesegoupto11 t1_ir39044 wrote
Nice.
WildKatt4698 t1_ir3juea wrote
Why is it the rest of the world gets to progress while America is still stuck in 1953?
garlicroastedpotato t1_ir3o4g5 wrote
Slovenia is an incredibly right wing country which happened to elect a Green Party in their last election... almost entirely by accident. It really does appear they're just going to try and make all of their most "extremist" policies happen all at once.
citytiger OP t1_ir3qzsf wrote
It’s not that right wing. They nearly won an outright majority in parliament which has never happened since independence and if current polling is any indiction they could achieve it in the next one several years from now.
gevaarlijke1990 t1_ir47fea wrote
Slovenia, bro did you even read the title?
dgvelling t1_ir48bk2 wrote
People get what they vote for. No one is being forced to the knee of radical leftists. Realistically it doesn’t do anything to attack heterosexual marriages. I know a Reddit comment isn’t going to change your mind so I’ll leave it as this. Peace
NoGoodName_ t1_ir48qfv wrote
... my dude... what??
How are we right-wing, exactly? Is it our pro-EU stance or our comprehensive social support system that are confusing you? We are the country women come to to get abortions when they are denied the medically necessary procedure in their own EU countries.
And do please explain how getting 35,8% of the votes (the next party grtting 22.5%) is "winning by accident"?
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NoBeRon79 t1_ir48rhj wrote
That’s right! Donald Trump loves marriage so much, he did it 3 times.
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awhellnogurl t1_ir4axm4 wrote
You are very original.
PurpleGodandViolet t1_ir4blsq wrote
I've seen you wife, you seem to be in favor of interspecies marriage.
Skeptical_Vegan t1_ir4bwod wrote
This isn't 1950 or the dark ages. The reality is that people were sometimes gay. Science has made this irrefutable. How is their ability to love any different? And what do you mean by "sanctity of marriage"?
Bloodsucker_ t1_ir4cxe3 wrote
Nobody is getting the joke, therefore you're not funny. I still have no clue if you're a troll or simply stupid. So yeah, go back to your cave.
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w0mbatina t1_ir4d6cd wrote
Well thats a really weird take. Especially since a right wing party only won 2 out of 9 parlimentary elections in the entire history of the country.
DeterminedThrowaway t1_ir4df5x wrote
Protected from what? Literally nothing about heterosexual marriage is being changed
goatofglee t1_ir4di43 wrote
I can't decide if you're serious or a troll.
I have seen people say this, but not in a while. It's hilarious that people think a consenting adult marrying another consenting adult is somehow comparable to a person marrying an animal or inanimate object.
Berubara t1_ir4ep17 wrote
Glad to hear this. I was in Slovenia for a week a few years ago and everyone I met was quite conservative and I kept thinking if it was the norm or if I just happened to meet certain types of people. I even had a young tour guide go off on a big anti EU rant at me.
StayWinning100x t1_ir4hdxm wrote
Kinda like how republicans said they wanted abortion to be left to the states and then next thing you know they are trying to make it nationally illegal
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Jonajager91 t1_ir4i1dk wrote
Thats big! Same sex relationships have been taboo when i was there. I'm glad.
Skeptical_Vegan t1_ir4ikj2 wrote
And why?
Flumffox t1_ir4ilyk wrote
But but but the thing I have loses value when others have it
DeterminedThrowaway t1_ir4ipod wrote
That argument honestly pisses me off when I see it. Okay, so 55 hour Vegas sham weddings aren't hurting the "sanctity" of your marriage, but two people who are genuinely in love and will stay married are hurting it if they happen to be the same sex? I don't buy it
FromSwedenWithHate t1_ir4iwld wrote
That's amazing. But Slovenia isn't Eastern Europe last time I checked, I was there for 3 months and most people I came across said they consider themselves as Central Europeans, most of them speak very good English unlike most of Eastern Europe, and geographically they are not in Eastern Europe. Culturally a Slavic people/ Eastern European people though.
larmax t1_ir4ixhm wrote
The Netherlands has had same-sex marriage for over 20 years and I haven't heard of them ever planning to allow marrying dogs or shoes
Alepfi5599 t1_ir4jydg wrote
Basic human rights are not extremist policies.
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Alepfi5599 t1_ir4k7ec wrote
That was a joke
Alepfi5599 t1_ir4k806 wrote
Fantastic news!
squngy t1_ir4kdg3 wrote
This is actually not a very big change.
There are still a lot of homophobes and a law will not change that, but also, same sex couples already had almost all the rights of CIS couples, except that it was called a "union" instead of a "marriage" (edit: in legal documents, in casual conversation both are called marriage).
Aside from the symbolic change of using the word "marriage", the only real change is that they can now adopt freely (before they could only adopt children they were related to)
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Jonajager91 t1_ir4kwo7 wrote
There may be plenty homophobes, but acceptation of this is messy. There could be a lot of homophobes. It might get less or less heavy over the years. But it's a sign that lgbtq people can have a normal relationship lawfully.
DeterminedThrowaway t1_ir4kz7m wrote
I know the person I was replying to was being sarcastic, sorry if that wasn't clear. I just don't like it when people actually make that argument, because they do. I tried to indicate that by saying it pisses me off "when I see it", but I guess it didn't come across.
squngy t1_ir4lkj0 wrote
> But it's a sign that lgbtq people can have a normal relationship lawfully.
They already could.
But now, they can have a more equal standing then before.
Alepfi5599 t1_ir4n4bi wrote
Oh, got you, I misunderstood than!
dissentrix t1_ir4n4mx wrote
I mean, they already allow marriage between conservatives and people, but you don't see us complaining
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LiquidHate777 t1_ir4pal3 wrote
Are you implying same-sex marriage is extremist? Or the greens for that matter?
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dissentrix t1_ir4qkgk wrote
JAAASON
AGVann t1_ir4qm25 wrote
You know what else was 'tradition'? The mass murder of Jews in pogroms. Intense xenophobia and racism. Religious wars and genocide. Child abuse and slavery. Women being treated as property. Rape being a normal part of life.
The barbaric, illogical, and uncivilised hatreds of the past aren't suddenly sacred and inviolable just because you wrapped a pretty name around it.
Marriage as a tradition is not under threat by LGBT rights. It's strengthened by being an act of love, not by being an act of persecution. What is threatened by LGBT rights are the pointless hatreds that have destroyed millions of lives over the centuries, and that 'tradition' of fear and hate is not something we need to carry around.
SpasticGoldenToys t1_ir4ra6o wrote
Nobody in the Balkans will admit they are in Balkans. Ref:
Slovenia can deny it all they want but they are still a part of the balkans. All we can do is just be happy about this news and hope it can spread to other Balkan countries.
roger-great t1_ir4rkml wrote
Man you had to be in some really wrong circles to come to that conclusion.
r1ddler t1_ir4srni wrote
That they speak little to no English?
Cro-manganese t1_ir4tlau wrote
And yet, in countries that have legalised same-sex marriage, has their society actually changed to any significant degree?
Not that I am aware of.
bipo t1_ir4xz32 wrote
It's a complete and utter collapse. We had to bolt down the manhole covers to keep all the demons from surfacing.
bipo t1_ir4yl53 wrote
Green party got 3,41% of votes in our last elections and didn't even pass the threshold to be in the parliament.
Our government is definitely left leaning.
Did you mistake Slovenia for some other country?
SpaceNigiri t1_ir4zac5 wrote
Well, it's been 17 years since my country legalize it and yes, the country has changed, nowadays people is waaay more accepting of gay people.
Even our conservative party doesn't care about homosexuals anymore and have openly gay members on high positions on the party (the same party was obviously against it back in 2005).
As a whole the perception of all society has changed, and legalizing same-sex marriage was one of the first steps.
LightninHooker t1_ir4zryo wrote
I find so weird that countries in Europe are still legalizing this. Spain did it 20 years ago and people in here still love self loathing about how "oppressive" this country is.
Btw 20 years ago already look retarded to me to not legalize this.
PP (right wing party) rallied heavily against this btw but after the law was passed one of the members married his boyfriend and the president of the party was at the wedding. It was something
DigitalZeth t1_ir50eko wrote
Yep, we're Central Europe. Just some people think that we're eastern because we're slavic.
DigitalZeth t1_ir51ahy wrote
It depends what parts of Slovenia you're in, but it's also worth considering that the Slovenian far-left is comically similar to American far right. A lot of them are anti-vaccine and anti-lockdowns, they are pro-russian and anti EU/NATO.
We call them tankies because their fascination with communism is more revolved around stalinism.
Regardless, I do think you were unlucky though because it's not really the norm. Unless you go out in the countryside, you're more likely to find progressive youth than far left or far right anomalies.
elpajaroquemamais t1_ir51d9w wrote
Meanwhile someone who was born there is married to a man who installed three people who could end it in the US.
DigitalZeth t1_ir51pgh wrote
That they're not very good at speaking english.
DigitalZeth t1_ir51v6m wrote
Considering Slovenia is regarded as the fruity land of femboys by other balkan countries, I'd say we're not as "incredibly" right wing as people might think
sociotronics t1_ir52fm3 wrote
Europe is not as progressive as American Redditors generally imagine it to be.
Rowyn97 t1_ir52vb0 wrote
Social change takes time, and unless you're LGBTQ you probably won't notice the difference since this doesn't impact you personally. I'd imagine communities that benefit from this do experience worthwhile change
ExjwReborn t1_ir53edh wrote
Meanwhile, in America, we’re headed backwards.
alexminns95 t1_ir54z85 wrote
ABOUT FUCKING TIME
ChristianSword t1_ir570hk wrote
Marriage is a God given institution, for man and a woman. Why isn’t he allowed to have a Christian viewpoint?
Animeking1108 t1_ir5bdcx wrote
Marriage existed before religion.
ChristianSword t1_ir5bmge wrote
Marriage was created by God, for man and a woman. That is a basic fact
southern_breeze t1_ir5btz7 wrote
I don't think you know what a 'fact' is.
ChristianSword t1_ir5c114 wrote
Fact is something that is true
southern_breeze t1_ir5dgls wrote
Can you prove this 'fact' that marriage was created by God? :) How do I know that it's actually true? Shouldn't be hard since this is 'basic fact'.
ChristianSword t1_ir5dk0v wrote
The Bible says so, you should read it sometimes
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LeNigh t1_ir5fkb6 wrote
I know. Was just a joke ;) Should have put an /j behind it.
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PM_ME_SOME_LUV t1_ir5gklv wrote
And on the day Josip Ilicic comes back. What a great time for Slovenia 🇸🇮
InsertCocktails t1_ir5gyh3 wrote
Man. You don't even know. That huge crowd of people waiting to marry their dog. They're out there in droves.
Biding their time.
pale_blue_dots t1_ir5ipc7 wrote
Go Slovenia!
Ultionisrex t1_ir5jk7i wrote
Ladies will be chasing Janja's D like Wile E Coyote.
Sariel007 t1_ir5k8tc wrote
No no, we are not stuck in 1953, we are being drug back to it by the Regressives and their illigitamate Supreme Court.
RedRocksHigh t1_ir5mfxf wrote
On a basic level, it impacts those seeking to have a same sex marriage. For those individuals, it increases their social equity and thus, does significantly impact society.
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Animeking1108 t1_ir5nckn wrote
Adam and Eve were twins (she was made from a sample of his DNA, making her a twin or a clone), and their children had to fuck to populate the world. Maybe we shouldn't follow everything the Bible says.
Animeking1108 t1_ir5nkkk wrote
Where were dinosaurs and neanderthals in the Bible?
FromSwedenWithHate t1_ir5ol6w wrote
Balkans isn't what is culturally called Eastern Europe either, Balkans is in Southeastern Europe, there is a big difference.
Eastern Europe when related to in certain terms today is what is culturally considered as the former Soviet Bloc. Slovenia & some Balkan countries was part of Yugoslavia, not the USSR. The only similarity between Balkans and Eastern Europe is the fact most of them are of Slavic descent.
CallidoraBlack t1_ir5p421 wrote
It's been 10 years in the US, and yes, it's changed a lot.
CallidoraBlack t1_ir5pfug wrote
It's not as progressive as European Redditors try to make us think it is because they want us to feel bad about how things are at home. As if we don't feel badly enough.
m4chon4cho t1_ir5plm7 wrote
If they could not marry and adopt, then no they obviously could not.
Themlethem t1_ir5q1c9 wrote
First Cuba, and now Slovenia. We're on a roll.
menherasangel t1_ir5r2be wrote
wooo!!!! :D rhats so awesome!!
Dakkadence t1_ir5r3w6 wrote
Nah, leave it out. Reddit is more fun that vay.
YakuzaMachine t1_ir5rba7 wrote
After all that Melania Trump lesbian porn they figured "why not".
HashedEgg t1_ir5s2r4 wrote
> We had to bolt down the manhole covers...
I expected a different joke after reading this part
_iCrAzYG4M3R_ t1_ir5s5km wrote
The law has changed, the people won’t. There is still homophobia, a parents isn’t going to just accept their child just because “it’s the law”. This changes almost nothing, just stops a few cases of open homosexuality in public
SpasticGoldenToys t1_ir5s9qg wrote
No, Balkans is a subdivision of Eastern Europe. If you wanna refer to Visegrad countries as Eastern Europe only, then you still cannot put Slovenia in that group. Anywhere in European continent that is East of Germany, Austria, Italy is Eastern Europe. You can divide the region into smaller groups and find differences for sure but you can't deny Balkans is Eastern Europe.
malikhacielo63 t1_ir5t17r wrote
So…you mean to tell me that if I wanted to adopt a child in Slovenia, I could only adopt a little girl? Bizarre. Same sex pregnancy must be extremely awkward.
Alis451 t1_ir5tfjo wrote
yep, even the US was only 10 years ago.. it with the current SCOTUS, it may take a stupid backslide.
MessageReceived777 t1_ir5u43o wrote
you're a balkaner in denial cosplaying as west european, nothing more.
milanorlovszki t1_ir5u8ry wrote
The balkans knew slovenes were gay all along 😎
Iferius t1_ir5wbz8 wrote
Western Europe and Scandinavia get all the media attention, but central and eastern Europe are a lot more conservative.
kontor97 t1_ir5wij5 wrote
Just because it’s legalized doesn’t mean people accept it. Have you not seen how many gay men have been killed this year in Spain and how the cops barely take action?
Extra-Process-9394 t1_ir5zvjd wrote
History has shown that making something like gay marriage legal leads to a large increase in acceptance. Perhaps they are not causal, just correlated, but if you look at gay marriage acceptance in the USA you can see it increased a lot right after being legalized.
JonKentOfficial t1_ir60f5z wrote
Congrats Slovenes, a giant step in the right direction. Protect this, too, and never allow anyone to take it from you.
beefcat_ t1_ir62zov wrote
If you’re not gay then of course nothing changed. As it turns out, letting homosexuals get married has no material impact on the rest of us whatsoever.
LightninHooker t1_ir632eu wrote
Unfortunately crimes are always going to happen but spanish sociaity condemn those without a doubt included 100% of the politicians in Congress(even those that are extreme right)
Spain is one of the safest places in the world,lgtb people included.
Spain have had trans people on tv and cinema (Almodovar being the big name there) for more than 40 years and the most popular show(Salvame) on tv for more than a decade conducted by a totally open gay guy (Jorge Javier Vázquez)
Just to name some examples
cbbuntz t1_ir67igp wrote
They used Slovenia for shooting locations of Narnia. You don't use an ugly country for that.
relaxboy3333 t1_ir6bixv wrote
I miss that sub
Ltakhan t1_ir6d0j4 wrote
They couldn't start a family
citytiger OP t1_ir6egyb wrote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Slovenia#cite_note-Delo_February_2015-32
Link is in Slovenian but a poll from 2015 showed 59 percent support for same sex marriage and 39 percent support for same sex adoption
squngy t1_ir6fs8a wrote
That would imply that any relationship that is without marriage or children is not "normal"
squngy t1_ir6h4hv wrote
I feel like a nuance has been missed here, which is probably my fault.
Legally, there was a distinction between a "union" and "marriage" and that was not right and it is good that they can "marry" now, but even before, most people in casual conversation would consider the people in a union to be married.
If you met 2 people in a union they would almost certainly introduce them selves as husbands or wives.
There was effectively already same sex marriage, except in legalise and some articles didn't make a distinction, for example
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-slovenia-rights-idUSKBN1630U0
You can read more here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Slovenia
rhodopensis t1_ir6hpys wrote
(Psst, it’s awesome that you’re well meaning, and well informed on Slovenia, but cis means not transgender, equivalent to straight meaning not gay or bi. ;) )
squngy t1_ir6ijs6 wrote
Thanks, I thought it meant both not trans and straight at the same time
dgvelling t1_ir6ltnk wrote
They had a long post history in conspiracy. Don’t bother
dgvelling t1_ir6lyio wrote
Did you drop the /s ?
chihuahuassuck t1_ir6n7sl wrote
No, it's that no "normal" relationship has those restrictions placed on it.
sanne2 t1_ir6q0y8 wrote
It was the only sub thats funny in this shithole of a site (if you are a wrestling fan scjerk is pretty funny too)
InsertCocktails t1_ir6q4gp wrote
I hear they mostly hide in caves. Awaiting the day their prophet, George Soros, makes it safe for them to tread the Earth or have romantic Olive Garden dinners.
psihonix t1_ir6sadk wrote
For starters, Slovenia is not east of Austria. Besides being part of the balkans is not automaticaly Eastern Europe. Slovenia is by all definitions part of Central Europe and the south-western part being part of the balkan peninsula doesn't change that.
[deleted] t1_ir6tkj6 wrote
(Some) American redditors cannot grasp "Europe" is dozens of countries as different from each other as you can get, not one single nation with the same rules and the same traditions and views. Yeah, some parts of Europe are more progressive than America. That doesn't mean that's the case for all of Europe.
SpasticGoldenToys t1_ir6u3ha wrote
Nobody said Slovenia is east of Austria. It's east of Italy and that's what separates east and west Europe.
m4chon4cho t1_ir764rn wrote
Without the ability to do so is different than choosing not to. What an absurd rationality.
psihonix t1_ir7i6k9 wrote
I mean there's Central Europe, which you, for some reason, keep ignoring. But you do you I guess.
ForwardExchange t1_ir7rjle wrote
:) realization HOW WAS ADOPTION ONCE ILLEGAL IN A COUNTRY?
FromSwedenWithHate t1_ir80q1c wrote
> East of Germany, Austria, Italy is Eastern Europe.
That's messed up. If this was true, then Greece would be Eastern Europe too.
Miltrivd t1_ir88vf8 wrote
People do get it, but having restrictions and a different legal name makes it not the same, these things are known to everyone and creates segmentation, even if by a little. Equalizing name and rights officializes acceptance and nullifies legal differences, this helps further normalization making the homophobic reactions more fringe given they are against something that's official, normal, established.
It's not like people think gay couples were actively shunned and this will magically change things overnight, but as it had happened everywhere else where marriages rights get normalized, it also helps normalizing acceptance even further.
SpasticGoldenToys t1_ir97c6v wrote
Never cite wikipedia to support your claims. Any Slovenian who thinks they're too cool to hang out with their Balkan bros can edit it. Here's a link to a book
https://open.lib.umn.edu/worldgeography/
Chapter 2.4 Eastern Europe shows the borders clearly including Slovenia
SpasticGoldenToys t1_ir97y03 wrote
If you separate Europe east and west then yes. But many would like to categorize it as South Europe although culturally they are closer to other Balkan countries than Italy or Spain.
Hrevak t1_ir9qlqd wrote
Morehead, Kentucky, global reference point for European studies 😂
SpasticGoldenToys t1_ir9rvg1 wrote
If you have a better source please share
Hrevak t1_ir9s8uu wrote
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe
Wikipedia cited above is an infinitely better source. This article alone contains several interpretations of the term, hundreds of references and presents a truth agreed upon by academia and broader public as well.
SpasticGoldenToys t1_ir9sfrp wrote
The map from wikipedia is also from an american source called factbook. I thought you wanted to dismiss non Europeans to present data for Europe.
Hrevak t1_ir9sydo wrote
I don't have any problems with Americans in general and the CIA is definitely a trustworthy source, much more than some local yokel from Morehead Kentucky.
SpasticGoldenToys t1_ir9t8ph wrote
Besides in the very link you provide you can also see many maps excluding Slovenia while defining Central Europe. It all narrows down to whatever you want to base your facts on. You do you I don't care.
Skeptical_Vegan t1_irfcvgd wrote
I don't understand what you mean by God? The Romans had marriage. The Norwegians have marriage The Muslims, the Hindus. The Asians all have marriage and none of them are under the sanctity of some deity. I don't believe in your deity. It's stupid that you're going to pass a law that makes me follow your religion. You don't have any evidence to support the existence of said deity and yet you're still choosing it over living breathing individuals that are born gay. How ridiculous is this? You not see the issue?
Just because you say it's god-given doesn't mean that it is. Until you can give me direct evidence of your God and then after approving that your God exists, you must then also prove to me that a. He doesn't make a gay people born that way and b you must then also prove that he gives a f*** about who we marry. But none of this can be proven. So it's f****** stupid to start passing laws on this stuff when we have no reason to believe any of it. Especially when it horribly f**** over a fairly numerous minority.
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