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mortgoldman8 t1_it9sn2o wrote
That’s insane
Spicy_Sugary t1_ita045e wrote
Yes. In Australia we let prisoners vote. They're still citizens.
kf97mopa t1_itb7he3 wrote
This is standard in almost all of Europe. I know the UK was criticized for not allowing it, but I think most other countries do.
Based_nobody t1_itbzw14 wrote
The US tends to have stuck to British style legal code so it seems like why we don't let them vote either. Some states do, of course, depending.
nosotros_road_sodium OP t1_ita8dy4 wrote
True to form for the land of penal colonies.
Criticalhit_jk t1_itaabtf wrote
In almost 100 years as a penal colony there were only about 168k prisoners, from like 3 different nations. 168k incarcerations... That's like any Monday morning in the states.
Where's the joke, now?
Elite_Valkyrijn t1_itaskjv wrote
Who knows, it fell up into space.
Aoiboshi t1_itb0wvm wrote
Down if you're in Australia.
Elite_Valkyrijn t1_itb42m0 wrote
Space is above them, they’re just upside down.
Agile_Bee7787 t1_itc0ui3 wrote
No. My point of reference is the universal origin point.
Elite_Valkyrijn t1_iteb386 wrote
God
acwildchild t1_itcdenj wrote
Which is obviously Washington DC on July 4th 1776
ramriot t1_itaz9br wrote
OMG those Australians must breed like frigging rabbits to get where they are now, plus 168K seems a little small for a viable gene pool.
[Edit] This is meant to be humor
Zawn-_- t1_itb0u9o wrote
Apparently not. https://www.britannica.com/science/minimum-viable-population#ref1215147
TLDR: 50 is enough to limit inbreeding and 500 is enough to limit genetic drift (idk what that is). This is an old rule however and has since been somewhat discredited. I think. I'm not that into this, i was briefly curious.
hanniballz t1_itbblh2 wrote
our population bottlenecked to several thousand at one point in prehistory. yet we thrived afterward, so probably some truth to it.
WilliamMorris420 t1_itbj9z8 wrote
But there's less genetic diversity on the entire human race than in one troop of monkeys.
AfricanisedBeans t1_itb09cj wrote
Most settlers in Australia were free, plus there was a large amount of immigration after WW2
TruffelTroll666 t1_itbft13 wrote
Wis a silly accent from ze County zey came from?
AfricanisedBeans t1_itpodjj wrote
Yes
DutchNotSleeping t1_itbchs4 wrote
Not just Australia, most democracies. In the Netherlands too. It's just in the USA, where 2 parties control all the power, that voting rights are being taken away from minority groups. I mean, if (former) inmates can vote, throwing all black people in prison for non violent drug charges won't be as effective right?
Kaos2025 t1_itaamyq wrote
The US was also a penal colony let’s tell the truth lol
Billy1121 t1_itadth0 wrote
Georgia was said to be, but really they went to Massachusetts and Maryland as indentured types
> It is estimated that some 50,000 British convicts were sent to the Americas this way, and the majority landed in the Chesapeake Colonies of Maryland and Virginia. Transported convicts represented perhaps one-quarter of Britons that left the country during the 18th century.
Traevia t1_itbsjq1 wrote
The USA was a company town. Almost all of the original people who set up cities, towns, farms, etc did so in support of a company.
gregorydgraham t1_itayd34 wrote
Yes, in New Zealand we let prisoners vote. They’re still citizens.
Let’s be clear here: Australia has actual concentration camps and has deported Aboriginals BUT they’re not big enough assholes to deny prisoners the vote. Sort your shit out.
Spicy_Sugary t1_itb777f wrote
Tell me you believe anything you see on Fox News without telling me.
gregorydgraham t1_itb7ae9 wrote
Spicy_Sugary t1_itb7wzu wrote
I'm familiar with the case. A white New Zealand citizen was convicted of beating his ex wife was at risk of deportation. He found a family member with Aboriginal heritage and used it to claim he's Aboriginal.
He could not be deported because the law does not allow Aboriginal people to be deported. So it's the opposite of what you claimed.
Now tell us about the 'concentration camps'. Should be fun.
gregorydgraham t1_itb86p8 wrote
Nah mate, this case is because they deported him.
Having won the case, because it’s obviously absurd, he’s allowed back into Australia
Spicy_Sugary t1_itb8tlf wrote
Each of the men in the article (that you haven't read) were white foreign nationals born overseas at risk of deportation until they found a way to claim Aboriginal heritage. Then so they could not be deported because we can't deport Aboriginal people
So it's the literal opposite of what you claimed.
gregorydgraham t1_itb9e8e wrote
From the article:
“Thoms was released from immigration detention immediately after the court issued its judgement. … The court found immigration laws did not apply to Thoms, who was a recognised native title holder.”
Thoms is “recognised native title holder”, that is an Aboriginal, who was in immigration detention, that is being deported, and the Government did their utmost to get him deported.
Quibble if you want but Australia deported Aborigines.
Spicy_Sugary t1_itba3aw wrote
"That case had been brought by two men, Brendan Thoms and Daniel Love, who were born overseas and faced deportation after stints in jail."
Again they were able to be deported as foreign nationals. Once they used the loophole that doesn't allow Aboriginal people to be deported, they were allowed to stay because we can't deport Aboriginal people.
My dog learns quicker than this.
gregorydgraham t1_itbamxw wrote
You keep believing the High Court is a normal part of immigration bureaucracy mate, I’ll be over here enjoying my homemade grapefruit beer
Spicy_Sugary t1_itbb9p1 wrote
Great. Now tell us about those 'concentration camps.
gregorydgraham t1_itbfnkd wrote
Manus island, Christmas Island
Spicy_Sugary t1_itbgx7i wrote
They're immigration detention centres. New Zealand has them too.
You should sort your country's shit out. And stop lying on the internet.
gregorydgraham t1_itbp18t wrote
Really? NZ has detention centres in Papúa New Guinea and Nauru? Seriously? Stop lying and wake up to how awful Australia actually is
RunawayHobbit t1_itb0z8n wrote
DEPORTED Aboriginals??? They deported the natives?? To where???
TKler t1_itb75ma wrote
You work of a narrow western understanding of country.
Resettling natives is deportation, as you force them to leave their country.
They just don't leave your country.
edit: of instead of is
Thykothaken t1_itb7zum wrote
>You work is
That typo threw me for a good loop.
But yeah, that's interesting! If they already had their own version of countries and are forced to move, then to the rest it's "just" resettling while to them it's straight up deportation.
gregorydgraham t1_itb762r wrote
bingojed t1_itav3lt wrote
FYI US was used as a penal colony also.
Traevia t1_itbsroi wrote
It was a company town. Most of the ventures were financed from companies. Indentured servitude is a lot different and was working for a company for a set period in exchange for the voyage costs.
destruc786 t1_itbmmzh wrote
Not in the US, once they are in jail they are government subsidized slaves for the private prison system. It’s fucked.
alexanderpas t1_itc4qnv wrote
Which is explicitly permitted by the US constitution too.
throw4jklfj t1_itcsv8n wrote
Hence why constitutionalists are some of the worst people around. They want to uphold a bigoted document that a sane country would have rewritten by now.
iwishiwereyou t1_itdkd4m wrote
God but if we were to try to rewrite the constitution now with the fucking lunatics, fascists, and bigots that hold roles of power, we'd be so fucked.
Some right wing extremists really do want to rewrite the constitution. It would go very badly.
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captainmouse86 t1_itc51bg wrote
Same in Canada.
daverapp t1_ita7xhi wrote
Unfortunately they're also still Australians.
ballrus_walsack t1_itap052 wrote
Origin of iocaine poison.
SandpipersJackal t1_itapeps wrote
Fortunately, I’ve developed an immunity.
HaikuBotStalksMe t1_itareml wrote
Never fight Russia when winter is on the line. Or something like that.
sybrwookie t1_itbh3jm wrote
When the goal is to get at least some people to go, "I dunno, I just got off probation a few months/years ago, I'm not taking the chance" and not voting, it's less insane and more evil.
-shabushabu t1_itad1tn wrote
Almost exclusively going after black and brown people... The white retirement community that did literal voter fraud by voting multiple times for trump not only didn't get arrested but weren't punished at all... they got a warning and were told to be nice and not do it again...
gdsmithtx t1_itbpi9j wrote
IOKIYAR and IACIYAD, as always.
blorbagorp t1_itab0bw wrote
Shouldn't that make them completely tax exempt? You know, the whole no taxation without representation thing we kind of fought the war of independence for??
Alazypanda t1_itaeaup wrote
I'm on the east coast and often go to DC, their license plate says taxation without representation. Because ya know they don't really get a say in congress despite having a higher population than 2 states.
KalessinDB t1_itchz2m wrote
They don't get a say in the House of Lords Senate, which arguably should be abolished anyway. They have a member in the House of Representatives.
winterwolf07 t1_itadcqi wrote
That's an interesting thought. I wonder if this is legally defined somewhere or if it could be argued in court to get out of paying taxes.
MozeeToby t1_itat646 wrote
"No taxation without representation" was a rallying cry of the revolution, not government policy or federal law. There are lots of people in the US with no representation at the federal level who still pay federal taxes, the most obvious of which is the entire population of Washington DC.
jdv23 t1_itbppk9 wrote
And all non-citizen residents. I’m a British immigrant who gets taxed without being able to vote. One day I’m going to snap and throw all your coffee in the harbor
winterwolf07 t1_itbo5iz wrote
You're right; I didn't think about that.
HaikuBotStalksMe t1_itargw9 wrote
They'll just say the taxes are part of the fee.
get_the_guillotines t1_itbazpa wrote
Because protecting conservatives from voters is more important than protecting anyone else from rape or murder
sybrwookie t1_itbh6ul wrote
Because really, if it's a legitimate rape, I'm told she can just shut that whole thing down.
mid9012 t1_itbte95 wrote
This is what institutional racism looks like
Sharkivore t1_itbhejg wrote
Not screwy.
Obvious, transparent, and meant to reduce the amount of lower-class citizens that vote.
earhere t1_itbyoo2 wrote
Meanwhile people in Florida actually committed voter fraud (voting twice) and all they got was 50 hours community service and forced to take a civics class.
koopz_ay t1_itac80n wrote
I wonder how many Republicans have been caught out now?
Huge_Strain_8714 t1_itbkom4 wrote
Or Jan6 seditionists
flargenhargen t1_itbp0gw wrote
> Screwy priorities.
Their priority is taking and keeping power, this is about suppressing democracy, nothing more.
sambull t1_itbr82h wrote
Good thing they stop the taxes once you loose representation..
chaoz2030 t1_itc45f2 wrote
High treason only gets you 4 months in jail
skiingredneck t1_itc0ujg wrote
You’re comparing a maximum to an average…
Apples, oranges…
nborders t1_it9a6uy wrote
I hope he can get past all of the lawyers queued in front of his home.
olliepots t1_it9y4at wrote
Just a reminder that Ken Paxton has been under indictment for the past seven years and literally fled his home to avoid being served with a subpoena
axionic t1_ita4vta wrote
Which would not affect his ability to vote in a real First World country.
Thykothaken t1_itb8d8b wrote
>a real First World country.
as opposed to one of those damn faux First World countries
Suckling_Sauce t1_itbjyaz wrote
While your comment is humorous. I’m sure you know what they’re saying.
Thykothaken t1_itbmqix wrote
Correct, it was in mere jest 😁
Saamari t1_itbm7cb wrote
he still got the subpoena quashed even though it was a good serve
blueskies1800 t1_it9o2a6 wrote
I sure hope that this experience does not discourage him from practicing his right to vote in the future.
gregorydgraham t1_itayjoy wrote
Oh no, this has encouraged him. Now he knows he’s pissing off the right people
Saberus_Terras t1_itamctl wrote
Suspiciously they dropped the charges just after the deadline to register to vote in the midterms.
hawksdiesel t1_itbq2mj wrote
By design...
Saberus_Terras t1_itc3gqo wrote
I agree.
SpankMyButt t1_itb2oqh wrote
It might be a unpopular idea but not letting people with a record vote is bonkers to say the least. One of the purposes of democracy is to have every aspect of society represented and thereby make more informed decisions.
TKler t1_itb7f50 wrote
Only in the us.
Most countries don't disenfranchise their citizens as much.
Taliel t1_itbh1nx wrote
Nor imprison as many.
flargenhargen t1_itbpqg7 wrote
> not letting people with a record vote is bonkers to say the least.
The reason is exactly what you'd expect. Trying to keep people who aren't likely to vote for you, from voting at all.
>When Black men were granted the right to vote in 1870, Southern states started to adopt felony disenfranchisement laws, not long before they adopted poll taxes, literacy tests and grandfather clauses, all tools designed to prevent Black voters from accessing the ballot.
The good news is that as described in that link, it's starting to trend away from that, and people are getting access to vote again in more progressive states, and even some that aren't so much.
Akiias t1_itbj8dh wrote
This is misleading. If I was at PC I would show why. If I remember when I get home I'll update.
Update:
Faster to look at info:
> https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_rights_for_convicted_felons
- In two states and Washington, D.C., convicted felons always retained the right to vote: Maine and Vermont.
- In two states, voting rights were restored to a convicted felon immediately upon completion of prison and parole time: California and Connecticut.
- In nine states, felons with certain convictions never regained the right to vote. The government may opt to restore an individual's voting rights. In Arizona, the government must opt to restore voting rights for individuals with two or more felony convictions. Voting rights are automatically restored to an individual with one felony conviction upon completion of his or her sentence.
- In 19 states, voting rights were restored to a convicted felon immediately upon completion of his or her prison sentence.
- In 18 states, voting rights were restored to a convicted felon upon completion of his or her sentence, including prison time, parole, and probation.[4]
More official version:
SpankMyButt t1_itbjdim wrote
I'm a bit uncertain what the misleading part is.
Akiias t1_itbpmfh wrote
Thanks for the reply, I updated my post. I would totally have forgotten.
Ok_Researcher8255 t1_itc8zzx wrote
Lol, saw the update, also uncertain. What part of the comment you replied to is misleading?
Akiias t1_itdw252 wrote
I read it as "People with records can't vote" which is false because people with records can vote. It may have just been how I read it though.
Aporkalypse_Sow t1_itdipqm wrote
From the article.
After serving time for a 1995 burglary conviction, Rogers had been out on parole since 2004. His parole ended in June 2020
25 years of not being able to vote because of burglary. A crime that involves theft without the presence of the owner of the property. As in you didn't harm a person to steal from them. Wrong, sure, but not being able to vote for a quarter century?
Just because OP used the word record, instead of currently waiting for an insanely long parole to end doesn't mean they were misleading.
FalconBurcham t1_itbfqlo wrote
Here in Florida people who voted twice in The Villages (a Republican strong hold) are being educated while felons who didn’t know they’re the wrong kind of felon and can’t vote are going to jail.
Glad this TX man isn’t going to jail. I never thought I’d see the day where Texas is a more just place to live than Florida.
Third resident of The Villages admits to voting twice in the 2020 election
Petersm66 t1_it9ddxs wrote
Vote early & often.
ace_of_spade_789 t1_it9mvnz wrote
That's my secret... I'm always voting
ArcadianMess t1_itbano2 wrote
Republican man , hello !
NAGDABBITALL t1_itajf8j wrote
Trump signed a legal charter declaring that he could not designate Mar-A-Lago as his legal residence and by law could not use the address to vote.
Desantis said..."I don't care!"
DorisCrockford t1_itaqh3j wrote
Thank God! I've been thinking about him ever since he was arrested, the poor guy. Copped for being the last in line to vote and ending up on the news. Made the big shots look bad for not having enough polling places.
kst1958 t1_itbi0xq wrote
Texas' government is a cesspool of Trump cronies and bootlickers, all majorly funded by fundamentalist Christian billionaires. - Texan here.
gdsmithtx t1_itbpstt wrote
Also Texan and can confirm: you are 100% correct.
Dutch_Rayan t1_itbs8rt wrote
Even having to stand in line for hours should be illegal, need more voting booths then.
gjon89 t1_itaipny wrote
How about the ones that were entrapped by state? Those charges better be dropped as well.
APr0N00b t1_itasvxq wrote
Too bad we got a new batch of people being arrested in Florida
porknwings t1_it9w6h5 wrote
Did he get to vote?
Bvoluroth t1_itbj537 wrote
Not letting prisoners vote is so fucked
ukexpat t1_itbjzvu wrote
Next up: Texas legislature changes the law to give the state AG the authority to unilaterally prosecute election fraud charges.
JAT621 t1_itbno9j wrote
We’re living in Jim Crow 3.0
TheSexyBoiii t1_itbvoj2 wrote
Jim crow 1.0. We never left
BrooklynFlower54 t1_itces67 wrote
But folks at the Villages Apartments in Florida VOTED TWICE and didn't get jail time, but a Civics course, imagine that?
ObfuscatedAnswers t1_itazyuc wrote
What does 'can't unilaterally prosecute' mean?
LeonardSmallsJr t1_itcmg5h wrote
Scorecard:
Voter fraud: 2 (both conservatives)
Election fraud: Fucking everywhere and being “legalized”
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KazkaFaron t1_itcabs5 wrote
bruh
KazkaFaron t1_itcaefp wrote
yeah this man looks like a hardened criminal for sure oh wait no he's just black
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WellWellWellthennow t1_itcgpsl wrote
This is supposed to be an uplifting sub and this thread just totally depressed me.
Neltrix t1_itcx8k3 wrote
Awesome now sue them for everything they got.
rgg25 t1_itd8xam wrote
This is not uplifitng. This is gross. The fact that the AG of Texas can pursue this and be wrong and come away unscathed is sad. Hervis should sue the AG for wasting his time.
Spicy_Sugary t1_it9hjdp wrote
Voting while on parole can attract a 20 year prison sentence which is far more than a lot of rapists and murderers get.
Screwy priorities.