StoneTwin t1_j91bdk6 wrote on February 18, 2023 at 2:02 PM

Reply to comment by atomicitalian in Is Frankenstein responsible for the murders his creation committed? by siuknowwhatImean

Needs examples

Zombies are the most numerous known undead.

atomicitalian t1_j91cf2d wrote on February 18, 2023 at 2:10 PM

Right, this gets into the fiction of the world. Are zombies real in this world, or just fiction? Would make a substantive difference in this line of argument

StoneTwin t1_j91dtxv wrote on February 18, 2023 at 2:22 PM

I'm sure you can cite "documentaries" depicting Frankenstein's monster & vampires & mummies (curse people!) & skeletons & zombies.

Even Jason & the Argonauts, a very old tale, has people creating extremely dangerous skeleton warriors by throwing teeth on the ground.

atomicitalian t1_j91f0ew wrote on February 18, 2023 at 2:31 PM

Sure but you can also look at modern day practice of stopping and restarting the heart to bring people back and see they don't become monsters.

So I would argue it's not the revival of the dead that's in question but the method. And while Frankenstein's methods were certainly unorthodox, theres no reason to assume they would inherently lead to an evil outcome. He didn't use voodoo or teeth to make skeletons or do witchcraft or demon summoning, he was doing a medical procedure.

We transfer organs all the time and have even done penis and face replacements. So using foreign organs to restore someone's health isn't inherently evil, and using electricity to restore function to a body isn't inherently evil, therefore I'd argue Frankenstein could have reasonably assumed his experiment would have similar, non evil outcomes, and not result in a monster.

siuknowwhatImean OP t1_j93v3pp wrote on February 19, 2023 at 1:12 AM

Right, but would the “reasonable person” defense still hold up once it is clear that the monster is conscious (regardless of what was expected of its moral temperament before it was alive), as it was when I turned my back on it?

StoneTwin t1_j91ndsm wrote on February 18, 2023 at 3:34 PM

It is the creation of undead, not just reviving someone that hasn't reached a natural death.

siuknowwhatImean OP t1_j93uerv wrote on February 19, 2023 at 1:06 AM

Even then, aren’t zombies basically a virus? How can we even assign morality to that

StoneTwin t1_j9470on wrote on February 19, 2023 at 2:48 AM

It's something that is technically dead that is reanimated.

The only "good" reanimation in popular culture is the resurrection of Christianity, and certainly not applicable to a creature that defiles that very same concept by stealing the earthly remains of the people that need them as part of this supposed resurrection.