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willzyx01 t1_je1poz9 wrote

Perhaps it’s time to take the cops off the construction detail and actually put them to work?

Would be really something if it’s the same fucking group of minors that’s been attacking people there for a year.

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Celticsddtacct t1_je20q2t wrote

The irony of this statement is that they have stationed a cop at the intersection of winter st almost 24/7 now but they don’t get out of their car. Literally feet from where this happened.

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SuperHiyoriWalker t1_je21z2d wrote

It’s probably not the only factor, but cops “quiet quitting” when a Democratic mayor/governor is in office is not unheard of.

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Otterfan t1_je2s6w0 wrote

Boston hasn't had a Republican mayor in 93 years, so that's a lot of quiet quitting.

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parrano357 t1_je2cbb8 wrote

I've heard of that happening in NYC so I'm not denying what you mention exists. I guess my general question would be what does everyone consider the appropriate police action if the police see a roaming group of teens harassing people doing their best brookline turkey impressions or worse.

are they supposed to pull their gun on them and make them all lie down on the ground and get cuffed? chase them and tackle them? flash their lights at them? seems like 1 or even 2 cops trying to deal with 10-15 unruly individuals could pose some issues

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SuperHiyoriWalker t1_je2g93y wrote

lmao @ brookline turkey impressions

Even flashing their lights and telling the miscreants to move along would be better than nothing, as a signal to those nearby that the cops actually give a shit about their safety and comfort.

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RhaenyrasUncle t1_je2hhqd wrote

Stop & Frisk worked excellently for NYC crime rates.

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[deleted] t1_je2t3cr wrote

The 90’s crime bill also took a massive bite out of violent crime, people just don’t want to hear it. Covid is over, no more excuses.

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vesperka t1_je4s3bp wrote

Yup, this is definitely a big factor.

I lived in DTX/Theater District for many years and have noticed crime get progressively worse in the last few years. I've talked to a few officers and basically they've given up on making arrests because the DA rarely chooses to prosecute. Instead these cops just sit on their phones in their squad cars all day.

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murdocke t1_je2jb4r wrote

Maybe they should try not being villains then.

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EnjoyWolfCola t1_je46t1k wrote

Definitely not 24/7. Unless called the cops are rarely there after dark and this happened at 9. I work on that block and leave at around that time every day.

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BostonVagrant617 t1_je2ph9v wrote

What do you mean by "put them to work"?

Being the downtown area of the biggest city in New England, groups of rowdy and trouble making teens from all over the region have been flocking to DTX probably going back to the 19th century.. Do you want to age restrict the area? Do you want all teens stopped and frisked? How do you prevent a sucker punch? Just handcuff and detain all teens?

What do you want the police to do? If it's a specific group that can be identified and there's PC for arrest, you arrest them.... but after that point it's out of the cops hands', and up to the prosecutors, and the laws on the books for juvenile offenders won't lock them up.... and it's up to the people at the local level to change the laws...

We need root cause solutions that give teens superior options than hanging around DTX selling drugs, or getting into trouble... More community centers, sports programs, video game centers for kids, dance studios, etc ... just give the kids something to do, and out of trouble.... job opportunities, job training, etc.

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vesperka t1_je4t6oc wrote

The issue is that people aren't being arrested for committing crimes.

I used to live in the area where Boylston and Washington meet and I had a great view of the intersection where CVS is. I've seen so much crime happening in broad daylight that never gets addressed.

My favorite example is drug dealing in the elevator at the Chinatown T stop. A few guys would walk inside and a few would stand outside to prevent people from using the elevator. I once saw them legit turn a guy in a wheelchair away from using the elevator. There's also a row of blue bikes there, and the criminals would just sit on those bikes all day dealing drugs. The police are well aware of this but they never make arrests. At best, maybe one day a week a couple of officers would stand on the corner for a few hours.

People feel emboldened when they brazenly commit crimes with no consequences, and it will only trend worse unless something is done to address it.

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BostonVagrant617 t1_je5979o wrote

I thought the focus here was on rowdy teens, and unprovoked attacks? But if you want to pivot to drug dealing, we can....

Let me ask you something, what do you believe will happen if the police arrested all those drug dealers by Chinatown Station and the blue bikes? How long do you believe the dealers will be held for? Do you believe the people buying drugs from those dealers will cease buying drugs?

Even if the police did a big sweep and arrested all the dealers around Chinatown Station (which is not as simple as it sounds, typically the police have to conduct multiple undercover purchases or they have to witness a hand-to-hand transaction come up with reasonable suspicion to stop the individual who just bought the dope, then come up with PC to search their pockets, recover the drugs, then track down the dealer who sold to them... it's not that simple, you got to remember people have rights, and if the police don't follow procedure all the charges will be dropped at arraignment) ..... So let's pretend BPD did a big sweep.... 90% of those street levels dealers will be back on the street the same day, or within a few days if they have outstanding warrants that needed to be cleared up/resolved in court....

So the users will still be on the streets seeking drugs, most if not all the dealers will be back, and those dealers who are still held will simply be replaced by new kids looking to make some quick money.....The best case scenario seems to be that the dealers may move from Chinatown over to a different corner, and then when that corner gets too hot, they will move on to a new one, and eventually will end up back at the Chinatown spot... that's how this shit works.... it's called the balloon effect...

The problem is our drug laws.... We need to just accept reality, and start allowing legal sanctioned organizations to provide clean/tested drugs to users for free/cheap, that's the only way we can begin to start restoring order, and take power away from the unregulated and violent blackmarket...

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Solar_Piglet OP t1_je1pzsy wrote

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/short-staffed-boston-police-department-is-in-a-dire-position-commissioner-says/2938522/

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reaper527 t1_je393me wrote

so as we hear about these shortages and see crime rising, how many police officers are no longer at their job as a result of the vaccine mandates? (talking both terminations AND people who simply quit rather than be fired, and am also talking boston city level and mass state police level)?

additionally, are there any numbers for if there are any applicants that the city/state refuse to hire over vaccination status?

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EnjoyTheNonsense t1_je1qoz3 wrote

I know this is a tough concept. But construction detail shifts are done outside of the normal shifts. What you would be suggesting is having them do added overtime in patrol.

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DerekMcLeod t1_je1t044 wrote

I'd much rather the city pay police overtime to police, not stand next to an Eversource truck browsing instagram. I get it and I 100% do not blame BPD officers for taking advantage of that- I would too. but there are legitimate problems that need to be solved in the city. Traffic is a disaster and the murder rate is double what it was last YTD, to name a few.

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[deleted] t1_je1xaua wrote

Yeah, my biggest issue is police unions promoting the necessity of sworn officer details over civ flag men with rare, cherry picked examples of "right place, right time." Every once in a while, some shit will pop off and a cop is nearby on a detail to jump in or at least provide direction of flight info. Doesn't seem like a good enough reason to not have them already nearby on directed patrols of very well known problem areas instead.

To be clear, I'm talking about traffic details where they sit in the cruiser and play Candy Crush. It does make sense to have both PD and FD details assigned to major venues and events where there are crowds.

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Solar_Piglet OP t1_je21wo1 wrote

Everyone in this city that's not a cop thinks the details are bullshit. Thank whatever politicians put that through. But like the person you're replying to said -- the cops are going to work those details if they're available. It's practically free money.

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detective_bigfoot t1_je1uhcq wrote

Construction detail is the only time you see them outside the cars on their feet

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arch_llama t1_je2h62j wrote

I can't tell if you're being serious or not but I see uniformed officers on line at Dunks all the time.

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SpindriftRascal t1_je1tv1x wrote

You’re right, it’s not a tough concept: Cops shouldn’t work paid details all day, and then come in to work their shift exhausted. For many cops, the detail checks become the main goal. Details should be mostly abolished.

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No-Garlic-2664 t1_je1qpa6 wrote

Why is there basically zero detail here, do the police know anything? Aren’t there cameras at least

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BobbyBrownsBoston t1_je2qwo9 wrote

Boston been suppressing and underreporting crime at every level for a while now at least since Walsh

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RhaenyrasUncle t1_je27jpc wrote

Putting a police detail in DTX would be considered racial targeting.

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snorkeling_moose t1_je2apey wrote

There's always a heavy police presence in DTX, what on God's green earth are you on about?

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MalakaiRey t1_je48e2w wrote

Thats just the way racists who are also ignorant talk. Its not like he thought anybody else has a better idea of what dtx is like, he probably went there once

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Icy-Neck-2422 t1_je1wfhv wrote

Boston 25 News: Investigators believe the man was sucker punched and that police have reviewed surveillance video in connection with this investigation.

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Swayz t1_je20e10 wrote

Woah. I wish they gave us a description of the suspect. Another random anecdote my cousin was randomly stabbed in the neck at NY pizza in the theatre district. Footage was available but nothing was done. I guess he was stabbed so the kid could get in a gang.

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Solar_Piglet OP t1_je21pa4 wrote

Some of the videos out of NYC are nightmare-level surreal. I know it's a much bigger city but still..

I hope your cousin recovered ok.

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kratomkiing t1_je22nj1 wrote

I think he's talking about NY pizza on Tremont St not NYC

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RhaenyrasUncle t1_je27whz wrote

That whole area is bananaland.

I walked through there a few weeks back. There was some nightclub a bunch of people were in line for. People were parking their cars in the middle of the street, basically making their own parking spots...openly drinking liquor and smoking blunts while driving, blasting music...just no fucks given whatsoever.

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BobbyBrownsBoston t1_je2rsct wrote

That’s basically any northeastern city that has an actual nightlife. In Boston that’s one side of one street on one block…in NYC and Philly that’s a few blocks.

What you’re describing is exactly why Boston doesn’t have much nightlife. The disorder is not palatable to much if not most of the populace.

Bostonians want a lot of things in theory …. but when it comes to real life implementation there’s a never ending list of reasons why they wouldn’t put their money where their mouth is.

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IRGood t1_je42ok1 wrote

Hahaha what

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MalakaiRey t1_je48our wrote

Hes saying big cities with a busy nightlife look more like what was described. the loud music, the illegal parking, marijuana...THE HORROR. Bostonians complain about 2am closes and lame night scenes while complaining about how nightlife looks and sounds.

Another example, bostonians want an awesome subway and improved traffic while at the same time not wanting any construction or traffic delays required to make the improvements.

Just a lot of posturing and complaining.

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BobbyBrownsBoston t1_je52zuw wrote

We want affordable housing! But not in my back yard! and no rent control! And not to tall!

The nightlife czar came in and the first thing she mentioned was transportation (lol, she has no control over that and late night public transportation is not crucial to nightlife- see Miami, LA, Las Vegas, Houston and Atlanta) and things for families, and seniors other than clubs…. (doesn’t sound like much fun)

It’s kind of like folks have no idea what it would take to achieve these goals

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muddymoose t1_je2t6re wrote

Wasnt that part of the Combat Zone back in the day?

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Solar_Piglet OP t1_je1wucq wrote

Holy crap.. so this could be a totally random murder right downtown. JFC.

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BobbyBrownsBoston t1_je2rw0l wrote

Happens in Theatre District/Chinatown/DTX every now and then. Not exactly unprecedented Stuff here. Dude was killed on the Downtown Crossing platform in November

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f1Ynoeld3TRCRaw t1_je5cxll wrote

not surprised at all. I went on a jog on st Patty's and I bumped shoulders lightly on accident with a few groups of drunk dudes since they were taking up the entire sidewalk. one group started chasing me and screaming "get that ch**k (asian slur)" and another guy grabbed my shoulder and pulled me back and tried to grab my head. I was able to get away in both these situations but I imagine if I didn't they would've gotten violent too.

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FuriousAlbino t1_je29819 wrote

Maybe years of not prosecuting were a mistake

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[deleted] t1_je2rjp5 wrote

You mean not holding people accountable for their actions and acting like the law itself is the actual problem could make people not follow it?

Crazy!

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MalakaiRey t1_je490xa wrote

So do you think police presence doesnt prevent crime? Because if thats the case then maybe we could with less cops and more attorneys? The fuck are you talking about? What do cops do?

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metatron_ebooks t1_je360gd wrote

Usually when people say "this city is getting more dangerous" its bullshit, but I swear DTX has become even sweatier and grimier in the past 10 years.

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Solar_Piglet OP t1_je1oqom wrote

> There have been 11 homicides in Boston this year, more than twice as many than at this time last year

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Alan_Stanwyk t1_je2nki9 wrote

Comical that nothing will change. Good luck to people walking through that area.

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Itchy-Marionberry-62 t1_je2i3wq wrote

Nothing to see here folks. Move along. Downscale Crossing is very safe.

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BygoneAge t1_je34917 wrote

DTX has turned into a dirty ghetto shithole

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IDCFFSGTFO t1_je4hz4g wrote

I'm not sure I understand how there isn't at least one camera angle of the assault or suspect/suspects...

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Revolutionary-Ear-11 t1_je3ify2 wrote

No info because the attacker was black and the Boston globe / all of Boston refuses to point a finger or say anything bad about any minority.

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