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Yak_Rodeo t1_itrfsvj wrote

vaccine mandates were well intentioned but an utter failure. new york is going to have to reinstate a bunch of people who were fired and back pay them from the date of firing, a huge pay day.

im far from an anti vaxer but the scientific evidence wasnt there to justify firing people

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Yak_Rodeo t1_itrkkn2 wrote

yeah its too bad people dont want to have a legitimate conversation on it, im fully vaxxed with a booster and encourage everyone to get it but the complete disregard for workers rights was always such a shaky decision

this place is super pro union but blasted the firefighters union for being anti mandate

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nottoodrunk t1_ituqm58 wrote

I got downvoted to hell for pointing out that allowing the city to unilaterally rip up a CBA between itself and the union was an absolutely terrible precedent, no matter how much “greater good” it would be for. No one wanted to hear that the unions bargain on behalf of their members and no one else, which is why concerned citizens don’t have a seat at the table.

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Academic_Guava_4190 t1_its68by wrote

I think it was a sense of fear and lack of knowledge. Everyone was desperate to get to zero Covid. We now know that isn’t possible even in China where they have been brutal about their restrictions. What so far as been discovered is that the vaccine helped alleviate symptoms and help keep people out of the hospital system while doctors and medical personnel learned how best to treat it, but that was hard to foresee because we were in the middle of a worldwide experiment. Now we can say well if you don’t want the vaccine that’s on you, good luck, and stay the fuck away from the rest of us.

I think what they needed to implement far more than a vaccine mandate was an increase of paid sick time in every industry but places are so afraid of that minority of people who will take advantage.

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fadetoblack237 t1_itsmnw5 wrote

>I think what they needed to implement far more than a vaccine mandate was an increase of paid sick time in every industry but places are so afraid of that minority of people who will take advantage.

You hit the nail on the head right here. My office just sent out a memo saying that you can be penalized for going over your 5 allotted sick days. Vaccinated employees are still coming in with symptoms and spreading it.

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Academic_Guava_4190 t1_itsonxc wrote

That’s awful. I’m sorry. Pure corporate greed. No one coming to work sick is being productive.

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Quincyperson t1_itsz5om wrote

And to add to it, the firefighters union wasn’t anti mandate. It’s that they had made a vax or test deal with Janey before she left office. Wu came in and ripped up the deal and made a unilateral change for the vax mandate. She then offered essentially the same deal to the cops and teachers that she broke with the FF’s.

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bondsman333 t1_itry3o1 wrote

Really easy to look back at this and realize how horribly mismanaged we were. A lot of things were done incorrectly, but not for wrong reasons. I believe that most of the mandates, mask enforcement, shutdowns were done in good faith.

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HoneydewOk1731 t1_its58su wrote

Good faith? Nah. There were plenty of people on this very subreddit taking great pleasure in unvaccinated health care workers losing their jobs. And those comments were upvoted by the hivemind

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WetLump OP t1_itskal5 wrote

look at some of these comments now

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pup5581 t1_itswybo wrote

Yup. People on here loved seeing those lose their jobs because this sub was so far left at the time. It was disgusting

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StaticMaine t1_itsvxfr wrote

The issue was that they were intended to get people to vaccinate to stop the spread.

While the vaccines are excellent at helping prevent serious illness and death, they werent as advertised with preventing spread.

That in mind, having a mandate then seems silly. It only made sense if the goal was to protect others. If they want to risk serious impacts of covid potentially, that’s on them. But a lot of things in life exist that are super dangerous but an individuals choice.

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techiemikey t1_itvtids wrote

What would you view as sufficient scientific evidence to justify firing people during a pandemic for not taking a vaccine?

This isn't a gotcha style question, I'm just curious what you line would be acceptable for you, so we could further discuss with that line in mind.

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TDKevin t1_itslxa1 wrote

I went on a cruise this summer and literally every line we looked into mandated a PCR, supervised covid test (vax mandatory) 48 hours prior to boarding. Either you were covid free at that point or you're lying. Either way your comment is useless

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zoomonayamaha t1_itstcje wrote

Nope, not how it is anymore. No testing and no need for proof of vaccination. Look it up yourself if you don’t believe me.

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TDKevin t1_ittidud wrote

Those requirements were changed literally barely over a week ago. The comment I was replying to was obviously referencing an earlier trip.

Keep stretching though. I'm sure you could use the exercise

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zoomonayamaha t1_itus5dm wrote

Ya and Covid is still spreading like wildfire, hence why I said the protocols aren’t based on science…. The global economy will crash if protocols were based on science. Just like how the CDC changed their quarantine day recommendation from 10 to 6… my wife was told to come back to work because she had no symptoms, but she was still testing positive and the 6 days had passed. Keep trying to insult me, it’s absolutely hilarious little dude.

The fact the cruise Covid protocols have been basically dropped while Covid still exists proves my point.

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