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crippledcommie t1_isvxa1r wrote

Doesn’t Mass have the highest share of atheists in the country?

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NoButThanks t1_isw3iz6 wrote

Sadly the highest share of Geoff Diehl.

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Ditto_the_Deceiver t1_isxiqmi wrote

This man’s commercials have been the best comedy released in decades. How is this the best the MA GOP has to offer?

Thank you for the chuckle.

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Jimmyking4ever t1_isxzkzw wrote

It's the same reason why the democratic nominees aren't great. Unless you're pretty well off or have family already in politics it's really difficult to get started. Not much to pick from.

I'm amazed Wu has gotten so far in only 10 years.

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Chippopotanuse t1_isxbm76 wrote

Weird. I though we had the best schools and one of the best life expectancies and highest incomes….

Why would God reward all these atheists?

It almost seems like religion is some fake-ass bullshit used to grift dumb folks. Because all the super religious states are drowning in misery and deaths of despair.

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kcast2818 t1_isyjp4g wrote

Seek help

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Chippopotanuse t1_isyku27 wrote

Lol, go back to r/conservative. We don’t give a damn what you dumb assholes think.

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kcast2818 t1_isyz3ig wrote

You're clearly hurt. That post is one of the most negative and dumbest comments I've ever seen.

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Chippopotanuse t1_isz76zi wrote

Every predictable accusation from you is such a sad confession.

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CJYP t1_isznwda wrote

You must be very new to Reddit if that's the most negative comment you've ever seen.

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508trevor t1_iszdmln wrote

Yeah go see a Catholic priest, unless of course you’re a young boy.

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theremightbedragons t1_iswy85u wrote

I think it’s actually Vermont but I could be wrong. Definitely in the top five

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Alphatron1 t1_iswzzxo wrote

Maine is up there too. It’s bad enough a few of the radio stations are Christian rock now.

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huessy t1_isxu5yx wrote

I kind of love that New England is where you go to learn there is no God. I assume it's the snow, dunks, and weed.

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wildthing202 t1_isx7934 wrote

That's how you know radio is dead, replacing all the classic rock stations with Christian propaganda crap.

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Alphatron1 t1_isxcvkc wrote

I listen to it for a laugh on my commute sometimes but you get the preachers talking about abortion etc sometimes and that’s a bit much.

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WinsingtonIII t1_isxtc5m wrote

MA is indeed the least religious state in the country (tied with New Hampshire): https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/29/how-religious-is-your-state/?state=massachusetts

Somewhat of a different metric than highest percent of atheists, but arguably more useful of a metric as it demonstrates how important (or unimportant) religion is in a state. Hypothetically a state could be 40% atheist but the other 60% could be very religious.

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NoMoLerking t1_isvjzxv wrote

Is this guy running for a cabinet spot under the next GOP president? These are not the words of a guy that wants to be governor of Massachusetts.

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Maxpowr9 t1_isvy5ql wrote

I'm expecting a 70-30 landslide for Healey.

Now if only we can ban NH ads from airing on Boston stations.

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IDCFFSGTFO t1_isx7yxm wrote

Your overconfidence is infuriating. PLEASE STOP saying this election is a lock when FIVE OF THE LAST FUCKING SIX GOVERNORS OF MASSACHUSETTS HAVE BEEN REPUBLICANS!

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ericthelutheran t1_isx8wso wrote

This right here. The not lesbian and anti trans schtick speaks to the victimhood mentality in gop politics that’s trades in phobias rather than policies.

The media either hasn’t — or has — learned its lesson that covering someone nonstop as propaganda fodder highlighting their immorality is just a signal to the gop voters that this is their (usually) guy. Rather than finding their campaigns with free airtime, they’d be better off to leave off on the free advertising and exclusively cover more serious candidate positions.

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IDCFFSGTFO t1_isxafvt wrote

I agree it's a catch-22 situation deciding whether a vile campaign message should be exposed or quietly ignored by traditional media. What they can't do is totally ignore the race entirely (again, because we are so sure of Healey's inevitability) and leave it to the Facebook commentariat brigade (or Reddit for that matter) to inform the public about the "issues". Which is of course what has been happening.

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ericthelutheran t1_isxb40h wrote

I’m not positive it needs to be ignored per se — but I totally see where your comment comes related to mine. I just think it should be more like, “…and in other news, Whitey McStraighterson, who said we should euthanize tacos made with tofu in last night’s debate, has this to say about inflation…”

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H3pennypacker t1_isxekz9 wrote

Boo hoo jfc

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ericthelutheran t1_isxgh2q wrote

Excuse me for my ignorance, but I don’t understand why you responded with this.

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H3pennypacker t1_isxhfva wrote

Nothing more pathetic than white men trying to act persecuted. It is sad.

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tschris t1_isyixkl wrote

Settle down. The past republican governors were moderates who would be democrats in any other state. The guy they are running now is a MAGA nut job. He has no shot.

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katieleehaw t1_isxa605 wrote

I also oppose prayer in school.

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Consistent_Syrup_235 t1_isy0ps1 wrote

Pretty sure the constitution does too (although not according to the current Supreme court)

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AccomplishedGrab6415 t1_isyblgp wrote

>I also oppose prayer in school.

Unless it's prayer to the god of dunks - then I not only approve - I propose it be mandated.

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Buffyoh t1_isxc4jl wrote

Women and girls in Iran are getting beaten, tear gassed and shot by guys like Diehl.

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ThisistheInfiniteIs t1_isvlfkv wrote

By its decision to carry out the political and moral cleansing of our
public life, the Government is creating and securing the conditions for a
really deep and inner religious life. The advantages for the individual
which may be derived from compromises with atheistic organizations do
not compare in any way with the consequences which are visible in the
destruction of our common religious and ethical values. The national
Government sees in both Christian denominations the most important
factor for the maintenance of our society. ...

- Adolf Hitler, speech before the Reichstag, March 23, 1933, just before the Enabling Act is passed.

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Dseltzer1212 t1_iswt1jn wrote

Christian values for republicans is bullshit. The republican jesus is created in the eyes of bigots, racists, haters, con men and liars and does not feel empathy, patriotism or country before party. #broken #damaged #empty

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ThisistheInfiniteIs t1_isvj2h2 wrote

Today Christians
... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will
tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to
fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out
all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and
in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ... (few) years.

- Adolf Hitler, quoted in: The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872

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pillbinge t1_iswckp3 wrote

You're really big on both quoting Hitler and calling Christians Nazis lmao. Quotes aren't a substitute for a real opinion though.

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asianyo t1_iswgy4d wrote

Christians aren’t inherently Nazi’s but a whole hell of a lot of them support fascism in America

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pillbinge t1_isz58zu wrote

They don't support fascism. That's misconstrued from a lack of perspective. A lot of non-Christians, non-denominational people, and your basic, city liberal often focus on management instead of deep, underlying concerns that come to governing, running, or even having a society. There then ends up being a mistranslation of philosophy.

Unfortunately, the left has been absolutely gutted since post WWII, and especially since they lost again and again before the 1980s, which then got us Reagan (Carter was very complicit as well but skates by because he builds homes, apparently). It's now become one of managing others and eking out small victories that are spun as massive ones.

A lot of right-wingers hate fascism. They just see it from another position. That's why it's a cliché that's not worth anyone's time. The obvious highlights were when people criticized Trump for implementing policies that were mainly started during Obama's administration, but which people thought originated from Trump. You can go on like that - this city, and this sub in particular epitomize that sort of basic outlook. It's just not going to lead to much difference.

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baddspellar t1_isxdh35 wrote

He's definitely just showing party loyalty with the goal of an appointment in a future Republican administration. He's so far behind there's nothing that could help him in Massachusetts.

Returning to "Christian foundational values" actually means going back the the 1950's social hierarchy, where men like Diehl had all the power they wanted. It's not as if they care about Christian values like "love your neighbor", "whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me", or "turn the other cheek", as these require kindness and a willingness to give up some of your power.

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AccomplishedGrab6415 t1_isybqsw wrote

My theory is the radical religious right is so terrified that people are fleeing religion in spades that they're trying to force us into a theocracy to keep it alive - all backed by the church.

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frenetix t1_isvgvzx wrote

This being Massachusetts, does he mean Catholic or ...?

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PuritanSettler1620 t1_isvsbpx wrote

Massachusetts is not catholic, Massachusetts is Puritan, has been since it was founded. There is no room for the pernicious papist influence in our Godly commonwealth!

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whatcookie t1_isx3i01 wrote

I found out recently one of my ancestors testified at an inquest in the 1600's. She and three other people investigated why a woman had a miscarriage and two deformed goats were born.

Totally the Quakers fault. 100%

Yay Puritans!

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BitPoet t1_isxt7q1 wrote

As someone raised Quaker, this is totally a thing. Bible class, deformed goat birthing, worship is just sitting around and not saying anything (except for that hippie lady who just won't STFU) you know, the usual.

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BitPoet t1_isxsv5i wrote

The perfect response would be a picture of the Mary Dyer statue with a voiceover.

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dyqik t1_isvrnsc wrote

...Wiccan?

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PuritanSettler1620 t1_isvshby wrote

I hate witches. We need to do another Witch hunt because I swear these devil-worshipping, children snatching, potion brewing, spell casting, witches are more common than ever. Cotton Mather would be spinning in his grave if he saw Salem today!

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dyqik t1_isvuhdt wrote

Did you create this username just for this joke?

If so 👏

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firestar27 t1_isy1bbw wrote

They've been posting regularly, and with this joke, for a year now. The joke somehow just keeps coming up. It's suprising how frequently his username is relevant.

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dyqik t1_it0heug wrote

I wonder if they realized that when they made it? Or has it become far more work than they realized, like the @isKissinger dead yet Twitter account.

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ArmlessGeodude t1_isxkhmb wrote

I am yet to hear Geoff Diehl make a practical or even realistic policy suggestion. This man is simply running on a Trump endorsement. He stands for absolutely nothing but the opposite of progress.

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PuritanSettler1620 t1_isvs1yi wrote

So long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in schools.

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silassin t1_isxva4o wrote

Perfect time of year to go back to the traditions of old, like burning witches

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NoButThanks t1_isw3ma6 wrote

Surprise, surprise. https://twitter.com/massgop/status/1531805291297259520?t=S5s7MQRWb8O_rPAokZY5xg&s=19

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pillbinge t1_iswd27f wrote

Diehl is a tool and won't win, thankfully, but what is a politician realistically supposed to do? Vet everyone before taking a photo using a team of experts working at lightning speed? I had a Facebook feed of some of the most insufferable people I know who epitomized bitter, toxic culture about 7 years ago taking pictures with Bernie and Clinton. Plenty of unliked celebrities - usually minor - came out for Sanders too. What's supposed to happen? My neighbor has casually dropped the n-word before but she had a Healey sign. How does that reflect on Healey?

And it isn't a rhetorical question. What are you real expectations there?

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NoButThanks t1_isxdkmw wrote

Also, just to add on while thinking about it more: we know Healey's stance on white supremacy because of the office she currently holds and boy does she hate it. Diehl on the other hand: https://mypraiseatl.com/2325832/republican-candidate-geoff-diehl-caught-lying-about-daughter-signing-white-privilege-pledge-at-school/ (there is a Boston Globe article about this, but it's paywalled). 100% the next governor of Massachusetts is going to have to deal with white supremacists. I think under Diehl they will fly their Nazi flags openly and feel emboldened to be more in the open too, so his campaign should step up more on it. It would be a good debate question. Just some added small flavor on the issue: https://www.salemnews.com/opinion/column-diehl-with-the-devil/article_bea64a16-091a-11ed-a4cf-83e91d7a9fca.html

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NoButThanks t1_isx8k4i wrote

Reflects poorly on your neighbor. If Healey was buddies with your neighbor and knew about the n word stuff and continued to hang out, it would reflect poorly on her. Yeah, it's a one off unknown interaction for Diehl. Diehl could just address it but chooses not to. In this particular case, because of Diehl's political views and that Diehl doesn't address it or condemn it, it's almost silent support.

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pillbinge t1_isz6u77 wrote

We all know it reflects poorly on my neighbor. I don't think anyone questioned that. The problem is one of lines. Does it reflect poorly on her husband, whom I haven't witnessed do that - and can't imagine, because he's very sweet? Does it reflect poorly on her kids who talk gruff like her, but whom I still haven't heard say anything like that? Does it reflect on the politician?

Now, if that politician takes a photo with my neighbor, do I call the politician a racist? I think we all know it doesn't transmit like COVID.

>If Healey was buddies

For one, friendship is a lot broader than that, and runs a lot deeper. I don't stop being friends with someone just because of a handful of, granted, major flaws. If anything, they're my responsibility.

Two, I'm not talking buddies though, am I? I'm talking photos with random supporters who come up to you and ask for one.

>it's almost silent support.

Why is it on Diehl to address it? Because it would please you? That's a great point to make if you run PR and it's your job to obsess about these things, but we're talking about normal, rational people. Not people who use conspiracy-adjacent lines of thinking.

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g_rich t1_isxeorx wrote

Something tells me that’s going to be a hard sell in the least religious state.

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freekoffhoe t1_iswrb6k wrote

Prayer in schools shouldn’t necessarily be prohibited. SCOTUS ruled that schools can’t lead prayer or enforce it upon students, but if an individual teacher or student wishes to personally pray, they are allowed to and protected under the first amendment

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the_other_50_percent t1_isx5u8c wrote

Yes, and Healey surely knows that and upholds it as AG and would as governor. Because Democrats aren’t for illegal required participation in prayer (or implied by having it be led by a teacher or an official part of a school program), Republicans of course lie and say they’re anti-prayer.

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AccomplishedGrab6415 t1_isycc8e wrote

I don't feel anyone is arguing against personal prayer in schools.

If people want to pray to a deity of choice, so be it. As long as what you pray/believe doesn't try to get forced, imposed, or in any way impact my life, you do you.

I think it's generally interpreted that any talk of prayer in school refers to that being led or mandated by the school.

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hatersbelearners t1_isyjhwd wrote

Even personal prayer should be banned at schools.

It's a place for education, not cults.

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508trevor t1_isze9ru wrote

Drop sports too. It’s such a waste of time and money.

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theWora t1_isy34vr wrote

Better not freaking elect them.

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raylui34 t1_isxn3zv wrote

perfect reason for me not to vote for the person

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Paublo57 t1_isxslit wrote

Somebody tell Geoff why the Mass. Bay Colony was founded

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JohnMullowneyTax t1_isz0y8o wrote

separation of church and state, the foundation of the country.....every country on the planet for the past 2-3 thousand years has burned to the ground when religion becomes part of the government.

Let it go.....

The pilgrims moved.....remember

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darksoles_ t1_isx890o wrote

So fleeing the country and going somewhere else?

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waffles2go2 t1_isxgmqy wrote

Wait... so hypothetically, will I be able to trade my daughter to a neighboring state?

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CLS4L t1_isxj0gf wrote

At trump university values are top priority ahhhhhh

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alphacreed1983 t1_isxenjw wrote

Well bless his heart. His mother was a woman with no common sense.

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JasperDyne t1_it04nsu wrote

Christian Foundational Values, huh?

What about,

“For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me”

Or

“…Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.”

Haven’t seen much of those Christian Foundational Values demonstrated by the Republican Party in recent years.

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fauxpublica t1_isvpf9i wrote

Don’t fall for it. We can only individually grow closer to Christ, making the collective whole better if enough of us truly change. It can’t come from the top down and we don’t need society to change in order for us to do so; people grow closer to God in the most unspeakable places under the most perverse tyrants.

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americanhysterics t1_iswrslf wrote

There is no way you can use the law to enforce virtue within a person (religion) without it being Fascist in nature

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g_rich t1_isxfn6l wrote

> … without it being Fascist in nature

Fascism is pretty much a requirement for the GOP these days.

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bbpr120 t1_isxx8y5 wrote

Funny how those perverse tyrants, keep using religion to justify their actions and deeds. And yet your magical sky daddy doesn't step in to stop it.

Wonder why...

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AccomplishedGrab6415 t1_isycy9u wrote

lmfao wut?

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fauxpublica t1_it03n0b wrote

I was suggesting that no one should fall for the “we need prayer in schools” to save our society and everything has gone to hell since we can’t have group prayer in a public place nonsense. We don’t need anything of the sort from the government. You’ll be close to Christ or far from Christ without regard to what the government suppresses or what the government “allows.” Christ himself was subject to one of the most oppressive, “unchristian” regime the world has ever known, and he was able to get his message across. I’m a big fan of Christ, and of a lot of Christian preachers, but this “Christians are suffering persecution in America” is a dangerous lie. But now I’m more intrigued by the number of downvotes. I wonder what people thought I was saying?

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