American football starting quarterback pass attempts v total yards, with player height [OC]Submitted by KJ6BWB t3_122c5b2 in dataisbeautiful
KJ6BWB OP t1_jdpuh37 wrote
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No, it's not news. However, I was expecting to see more outliers like Patrick Mahomes, with a z-score of 1.6. Actually, I just calc'd z-scores for everyone and Tua Tagovailoa has the highest z-score out of starting quarterbacks at 2.88 which is just insane.
While he's not shown on this chart, as I didn't want to tweak data labels for 108 people so they weren't hiding each other, I did do the numbers for everyone who attempted to pass the ball and we can see that Taysom Hill is best in the league at getting the most mileage from his throws and should get more playtime. Also, Sam Darnold as we can be fairly confident his 140 pass attempts for 1143 yards weren't flukes.
Here's the average yards per pass attempt, best in the NFL:
| Name | Average yards per pass attempt |
|---|---|
| Taysom Hill | 12.63158 |
| Jordan Love | 9.285714 |
| Nick Mullens | 8.96 |
| Sam Howell | 8.894737 |
| Tua Tagovailoa | 8.87 |
| Gardner Minshew | 8.723684 |
| Teddy Bridgewater | 8.64557 |
| Bailey Zappe | 8.48913 |
| Sam Darnold | 8.164286 |
| Patrick Mahomes | 8.101852 |
| Brock Purdy | 8.082353 |
| Jalen Hurts | 8.045652 |
On that table, only Tua Tagovailoa, Patrick Mahomes, and Jalen Hurts are starting quarterbacks. The others should possibly get more playtime.
But that's the thing about doing a statistical analysis. You don't really know what you're going to get until you do it. If you never do an analysis on anything that you think is probably true anyway, you could miss stuff.
JPAnalyst t1_jdqq5is wrote
Again, you missing so much context because you don’t understand football. T.Hill is listed as a Tight End, he has very few throws because he throws on gadget plays. His Y/A is the result of a small sample size and the element of surprise on said gadget plays. He should not play more at QB. You don’t understand the subject matter, just because you can plot two things or divide two numbers doesn’t mean you should.
KJ6BWB OP t1_jdqv1n6 wrote
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HillTa00.htm lists him as a quarterback and https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/taysom-hill-position-fantasy-football-stats-te/h8kjnky1khbcgw1gja1eousn says although his team listed him as a tight end, they've been using him as a quarterback. His stats seem to suggest if another team picked him up as their starting quarterback then he wouldn't be bad in that position.
JPAnalyst t1_jdqvd03 wrote
Now go down to 2022 and look at the position “TE”. His position has changed.
Now go to the Saints official roster on their website. They employ him, they should know. They list him as a TE https://www.neworleanssaints.com/team/players-roster/taysom-hill/
If this guy would be a good quarterbacks, he would be a starting QB. NFL teams know a lot more than KJ6BWB.
You haven’t followed football. You’re not in your lane which is okay, but what’s bad is you’re not willing to listen to anyone. Dunning-Kruger is real.
KJ6BWB OP t1_jdqwtss wrote
They're not official in any way but https://dknation.draftkings.com/2022/10/10/23395375/taysom-hill-fantasy-football-waiver-wire-stats-week-5-tight-end
JPAnalyst t1_jdqxe66 wrote
The Draft Kings link that says this
> but if you’re struggling to find a tight end to reliably start, he’s a good option for a huge week of points every now and then
Which is what I said. He’s listed as a TE.
KJ6BWB OP t1_jdraq04 wrote
https://dknation.draftkings.com/2023/1/8/23539324/taysom-hill-fantasy-football-nfl-dfs-week-18-picks-draftkings-saints says it's hard to call him a tight end anymore.
JPAnalyst t1_jdrbbu5 wrote
But he’s a tight end. I don’t care how “hard it is to call him one”. He’s a gadget player, his team lists him as a tight end, your link lists him as a tight end, pro football reference lists him as a tight end in 2022. Gadget players aren’t starting quarterbacks. I watch football, I write about football, I analyze football. I don’t understand why you dismiss everything I say, especially considering you’ve never attempted to engage with football content before, which is evident in all of your comments as well as what other people have said to you.
Less doubling down and more listening will get you much further.
Exiled_From_Twitter t1_jdpw78i wrote
But it's not a "I think it's true" it's "I KNOW it's true". Even this isn't all that meaningful. Averaging more yards per attempt doesn't necessarily matter. There are much better metrics to use that would knock guys like Howell, Minshew, Bridgewater, etc out of this list. Purdy and Darnold were starters last year (on the same team now and only Purdy has a chance at starting but prob not).
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