I really don't get the "music must be really difficult to make" crowd. Something incredibly simple can be absolutely fantastic, and really difficult music can be absolutely trash. There's no correlation between difficulty and whether it's good or not. None.

I get it's the natural progression of most people, to like what they knew as a young adult and dismiss everything thereafter as trash. But it's amazing ppl can't see that trend and just recognize they're being old curmudgeons. You know the people prior to you thought that your music was trash and their was the best, right?

There's a lot of music I don't like, past and present, and a lot I do like from each era. I think that the democratization of music (amongst many other things) have watered down music in many ways. Everyone can "make it" to some degree. There are literally millions of bands that have their music readily available to us on Spotify or YT Music or whatever. So overall, yes music is worse b/c we're exposed to more bands that could not have made it through the old traditional way. But that old traditional way was so broken, you missed out on so much music that you would undoubtedly have liked had it been more available to you. So many great musicians were shunned by the industry for many different reasons b/c very few people controlled the entire industry in all reality. That's just a broken way to do it so even though it leads to it being watered down the way bands can produce and put music into the stratosphere on their own with relative easy is far superior.

None of those (well, QB Rating but that doesn't exist amongst the others on the list) would have any meaningful correlation to QB success. In fact, nothing at the combine that gets measured would matter.

But this has been chosen specifically b/c there's a particular prospect who is on the short side and it could be a reason he is not selected with the top overall pick (though it's guaranteed he will be one of the 1st 2 picks no matter what). It's a very silly reason to dislike an otherwise great prospect as heigh has never been linked to performance for guys who are good enough to be in the NFL. I'm not interested in trying to find a specific measured attribute that correlates highly with NFL success b/c it doesn't exist. There are certain intangible aspects that aren't currently measured, if there weren't then the NFL draft would be a waste of time in itself as everyone would just pick correctly the first time.

Thank you sir / madam, seeing these previous posts was precisely why I created this one. Russ and Kyler, 2 of the short guys, had poor seasons by their standards so it could have actually had a negative correlation if I had chosen a longer time period (especially if I had Brees in it) or chosen a different season. Didn't think I needed to and was correct.

Admittedly this is a specifically selected and managed group, so there is a bit of selection bias as guys who are short might simply need to be quite a bit better to even be considered good enough to be in this group but it still shows that anyone who is good enough to be a QB in the NFL is not impacted by height, i.e. if Bryce Young does in fact fail based on his high draft profile it won't be b/c he's shorter than others.

Yup, I appreciated your post. It was very interesting and I recognized that you were not trying to prove performance but rather something that I thought would have been more positively correlated (as you explained already haha). I definitely would have guessed that shorter QB's would have had a higher percentage of balls batted down (and very glad you used percentages). I then saw the two that were linked above and was like wow, these are pointless.

If I added a bit more context or lengthened the time period a bit it would have likely had a negative correlation b/c Russ and Kyler had poor seasons by their standards (the two main short guys) AND I could have gone back far enough to add Brees which would have really given the short guys a boost. But it didn't matter, pretty clear that of all NFL QB's, which is a selected and managed group, there's no correlation between performance and height.

Yup, and both of the main short guys had poor years for their standards. You go back a touch further and Wilson was one of the best QB's in the league and Brees was still around it would likely show a slight negative correlation.

Please read my title. I did not insinuate that height could NEVER have an influence on NFL QB's. But this all stems from Bryce Young being a bit on the short side and every single time a top end QB prospect is 6'0" or a touch under this gets brought up ad nauseam. Yeah of course this data has worked itself out b/c at a certain point height would have some sort of impact but once you hit a certain height it really doesn't matter.

I am aware of how it's calculated. As mentioned, there's a very high correlation between winning and ANYA. Even higher when you look at it by game.

I'm not saying it's the end all be all, there's not one, but it's REALLY good. The point is though, I could use any number of very good advanced metrics and come up with the same results. Height does not impact performance at this level.

No, it's ADJUSTED Net Yards / Attempt. It takes into account sacks, sack yards, touchdowns, and interceptions. You could include rushing numbers (attempts, yds, TD's, and fumbled) too but it would not alter this. ANYA is a fantastic little metric that highly correlates to winning.

But that's the point, if you throw more you will have more yards. You are using counting stats and not efficiency, which is way more useful. There's no correlation whatsoever between a quarterback's height and his overall performance.

But it's not a "I think it's true" it's "I KNOW it's true". Even this isn't all that meaningful. Averaging more yards per attempt doesn't necessarily matter. There are much better metrics to use that would knock guys like Howell, Minshew, Bridgewater, etc out of this list. Purdy and Darnold were starters last year (on the same team now and only Purdy has a chance at starting but prob not).

I've seen a few posts on this, for some reason, and it seems they were done by those who aren't really into football and aren't aware of meaningful quarterback statistics to actually use for such. Here we are using Adjusted Net Yards / Attempt - a fairly simple but incredibly useful and accurate measure of quarterback play on a per play basis (which is more important than counting stats).

Source: Pro Football Reference
Tools: Excel

Such poor analysis. There are simply just more QB's who are "taller" and you don't take into account pass attempts in any meaningful way (bubbles aren't really taking it into account in the actual analysis, just noting it).

Wait.... wait.... what? This is news that if you throw the ball more you will have more yards?

Point is that it should be a nuanced take. Get the vaccine if you're in the higher risk bracket but there's no reason to do so if you're not. I got it, but it doesn't mean I support EVERYONE getting it.

I didn't say anything antivax related or spread any propaganda about the vaccine. No one cares though, they just want to label ppl and then dismiss them immediately. I obviously wasn't intending to have some grand discourse on it, look at my original reply, but it's still funny that some ppl just go "you're a dumb antivaxxer" b/c that's easy. It's also far from the truth.

Funny you just automatically assume I'm an antivaxxer. Who's not very smart again?

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Good thing he got it though.........................................

What?

He's asking a broad question, a narrow experience doesn't matter and it insinuates you're agreeing

You trying to confirm the post by saying it was true for you and then restating the post. That's when.

Ringing true for you is absolutely meaningless, your little world is not representative of the world at large. That's like saying you can't believe other languages are spoken b/c you don't hear it often.

They are constantly under the microscope for their lyrics, you just aren't seeing it. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Absolutely did, rappers are constantly taken to task for their lyrics.