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evanthebouncy t1_iwki8fr wrote
what do you make of this mandatory voting? on one hand it sounds nice but on the other hand it's also perhaps forcing an opinion for those who don't have one
Potatopeelerkind t1_iwknw6h wrote
Australian here: I think mandatory voting is excellent. In countries without mandatory voting elections become more about trying to inflame your own base enough to actually show up- here politicians do actually have to try to appeal to the moderates a little. It also means trying to discourage your opposition from voting isn't a possible strategy.
In my experience most people make an effort to learn a bit about the candidates when they know they have to vote, even those without any interest in politics. But if you *really* don't want to vote, you don't actually have to submit a vote - you can just get your name checked off and put a blank ballot in the box and nobody will mind.
Voting is generally seen as your responsibility as a citizen here. It can be fun though, you get to meet some new people from your area, buy a couple of democracy sausages from the sausage sizzle... About 3/4 of Australians support compulsory voting.
lastnameinthebox t1_iwkt9oi wrote
What's the punishment for not voting? Do they ship you back to the UK?
Potatopeelerkind t1_iwmzimo wrote
Fine of about $20. So nothing serious, just enough to get people to show up.
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vtfvmr t1_iwku6zo wrote
From a Brazil perspective, it is a way to guarantee voters' rights for the whole population. The mandatory part is not voting for a candidate, but it is showing up to vote (also, if you can't vote, it is like an R$3 fine). That law and some measures the government takes, like free public transportation for all and holiday on election day, are used to make sure the poorest of the people can vote.
Imagine this, your boss doesn't like who you will vote for, so he creates a job for you to work on the election day. For someone who is living paycheck to paycheck, they will choose work over voting.
In addition, if the vote wasn't mandatory, certain politicians would try to surpres votes. Vote is not mandatory, so why is election day a holiday? Vote is not mandatory, why is election day on a Sunday? Vote is not mandatory, why are we giving free transportation for all? By making an election mandatory, you are weakening those arguments.
In an ideal world, that wouldn't be necessary. However, voter suppression happens, and mandatory vote is a way to avoid this to happen.
Edit: Basically, mandatory vote makes the process more democratic because garantee the people's right to vote.
Ajsat3801 t1_iwkj0cy wrote
Idk about those countries, In India we have something called NOTA, which is none of the above...it was brought in to prevent fraudulent voting. Maybe they have something similar?
kmariana t1_iwklfyw wrote
yes, we can vote blank or null
Canisaysomethingtoo t1_iwlhi6g wrote
I'm from Belgium and we have mandatory voting. Well technically we don't, showing up is mandatory. You can just vote blank and cast your vote away and in paper votings you could just make a drawing or something and make it invalid, but nowadays most places are with computers so that got more difficult.
It's nice that nobody can try to prevent you from voting. You can't make it more difficult for certain groups to go to a voting station, your boss can't try to prevent you from going to vote because he doesn't like your political opinion, you just have to go and in the case that for some reason you can't make it, give power of attorney to someone else.
Cero_Kurn t1_iwkn7s5 wrote
I'm from Brazil and I honestly don't like it.
I think most people don't. It sounds a little antidemocratic to make voting mandatory.
Also, it leens a lot for corruption as many politicians might (and do) buy votes of people that don't have political knowledge and otherwise woulnd't vote.
vtfvmr t1_iwl31iq wrote
How makings the vote not mandatory stop these politicians from buying a vote?
vladimir_pimpin t1_iwli7o7 wrote
Having talked to my Aussie friends, a lot of it take it as an unserious joke if they have to do it, which is arguably worse than not voting to me. Idk, there’s an advantage to an electorate having a general amount of election literacy I think
That said thats just my experience and others can have other experiences.
greensandgrains t1_iwlyldo wrote
You can spoil your ballot! Heck, you can spoil your ballot even if voting is voluntary.
toolo t1_iwj9zzn wrote
What age group is making the stink of fraud?
PandaReturns OP t1_iwjaefg wrote
Mostly older people (let's say 50+ yo). Generally speaking, young people voted for Lula, and old people (especially the evangelicals) voted for Bolsonaro.
vitorgrs t1_iwlzyyh wrote
Not really. Most polls show that Bolsonaro got more votes on 25-34y. No idea why...
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TrueJohnAxe t1_iwl68na wrote
Yes. It’s not mandatory until you reach your 18th birthday, but it’s usually encouraged by teachers, family members etc.
PostIronicFury t1_iwj9aih wrote
As someone who used to think mandatory voting should be a thing accepted across the world but who later in life thought that I hated the idea someone could "cancel out" my vote because they were forced to, I think this is a great example of how with experience, I saw the other side.
FellowOfHorses t1_iwjorf2 wrote
It's mandatory, but the penalty is a small fine (0.80 us dollars) and you can pay it online now
Cero_Kurn t1_iwkn8q8 wrote
Seems like a healthy distribuition ngl
mandelmanden t1_iwl2vx7 wrote
1.1% of brazilian voters are 100+ years old?
PandaReturns OP t1_iwl33ho wrote
No, the correct is: 1.1% of the Brazilian people with more than 100 years voted in the presidential elections
mandelmanden t1_iwl4scu wrote
So there's potentially thousands of them.
ArthurExtreme_Br t1_iwls38t wrote
Would be cool to compare it to the total population lf each range
PandaReturns OP t1_iwmgq1j wrote
Here you can see the absolute numbers for each age group: https://sig.tse.jus.br/ords/dwapr/seai/r/sig-eleicao-comp-abst/faixa-et%C3%A1ria?session=112066366797619
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ElectricalAbroad8232 t1_iwktgwt wrote
Every race on this planet thinks that they are superior... I welcome all down votes
ArthurExtreme_Br t1_iwls7db wrote
Jesse what the hell are you talking about
PandaReturns OP t1_iwj97s6 wrote
Source of the data: https://sig.tse.jus.br/ords/dwapr/seai/r/sig-eleicao-comp-abst/faixa-et%C3%A1ria?session=209890620245796
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Brazil is one of the few countries with enforced mandatory voting (like Australia, Peru, Belgium and others)