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welshmanec2 t1_iwlpom1 wrote

Four of the Wales squad play for Welsh clubs in the English championship. Go on, give 'em a dragon instead of a cross.

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BoMcCready OP t1_iwlpzp4 wrote

Ha, yes, totally fair - same thing for the Canadians playing for Canada-based clubs in MLS. Ultimately I went with the predominant flag of the league structure but I realize it would've been fair to use dragons + maple leafs too.

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welshmanec2 t1_iwlvi5j wrote

Nah, you're good - understand your reasoning.

Just looked odd having no 'home' players in the squad. And it's unlikely anyone good enough to play for the national team would still be playing in the Cymru Prem, lol!

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kir_ye t1_iwljpnq wrote

Since there's a common league for Canada and the US how many Canadians play in the clubs based in 🇨🇦 and in 🇺🇲 respectively?

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BBOoff t1_iwlpzuc wrote

All but one of the US flags on the Canadian team should be Canadian (GK Dayne St Clair plays for Minnesota, but all the rest are Montreal, Vancouver, or Toronto players).

All of the other MLS players in the graphic are from American teams.

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BoMcCready OP t1_iwleqv4 wrote

Interactive version here!

Tool: Tableau

Source: Wikipedia

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Saftschubser t1_iwp0mcl wrote

Really nice map!

Unfortunately, it contains a tiny mistake. AEK Athens was misclassified to be German instead of Greek. Therefore, some Iranian, Mexican, Croatian, and Polish players have the wrong flag.

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cox_ph t1_iwlnonz wrote

Interesting that 25 of the 26 English players are domestic. The other countries with top leagues also have a fair number of domestic players (Germany 20, Spain 18, France 6) but still not as insular as the English.

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BoMcCready OP t1_iwlpcgu wrote

Definitely! The Premier League has a really strong tendency to bring the top English players back home. And now Bellingham is being linked with Liverpool and Arsenal, so it could be 26/26 soon...

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Eokokok t1_iwlvm3q wrote

Where would you go to play the game if not with most overpayed league.

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plausert t1_iwmd931 wrote

English prayers never seem to do very well outside the UK. Very interesting

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pensierieparole t1_iwmug1a wrote

I'm not surprised, religion has declined hugely in the UK over the past 50 years. Stats show that only around 38% of Brits claim a belief in God, whilst 42% believe in ghosts. Even amongst religious belivers, people tend to keep it to themselves. It's a pretty secular country so I'm not surprised their prayers don't go far.

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Killieboy16 t1_iwm99gr wrote

As a Scotsman I think I should be supporting Australia by the looks of it.

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dasbootdasfoot t1_iwlwodu wrote

I love stuff like this. I like how apart Qatar and Saudi Arabia every other single country has players based in England

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cholmer3 t1_iwo9x0m wrote

Cómo Colombiano, la bandera de Ecuador me hizo un amague el HPTA a lo bien T_T

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counttooten t1_iwmm9w5 wrote

Canada has 9 domestic players… not super accurate…

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greensandgrains t1_iwlw1sb wrote

Lol Canada and our 0 domestic players. We made it thoooo

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ostracize t1_iwlyqod wrote

As OP stated, all MLS teams were (mis-)labelled as "American". Canada actually has 10 players on Canadian teams.

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connmt12 t1_iwmkxmi wrote

Is Kai Havertz listed as a MF for Germany? I think he’s played more as a FW for both club and country

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BoMcCready OP t1_iwmlnu1 wrote

Yeah, you're right - i just went with the designations that were on Wikipedia

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eric5014 t1_iwnt11h wrote

Really well done!

It looks like goalkeepers more often play in their home country than an overseas league, compared to other players.

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ProduceTricky1492 t1_iwo7cs5 wrote

Shouldn't Club nations for Netherlands be 8, I count 8 different countries?

Edit: I see the same mistake for other countries too, unless it isn't a mistake but you calculated that number in a different way?

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VALMaX1 t1_iwoebfx wrote

dont the foreign players play for their own country?

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nbageja t1_iwow8y1 wrote

I'm trying to predict who will win the world cup by using the base stats of players from FIFA 23. Any idea on how to achieve this?

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ch_knight98 t1_iwp6grk wrote

Do I read that correctly that Heung Min Son is listed as a midfielder?

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authorPGAusten t1_iwmeevi wrote

Qatar and Saudia Arabia have most domestic players

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Rich_Text82 t1_iwoi2vx wrote

I found this visualization very confusing. It took me a few minutes to figure out what it was trying to convey. I feel there is a better way of laying this info out.

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Lance_E_T_Compte t1_iwlvspy wrote

This is really interesting!

It seems useful to understand more about lots of things...

  • Which countries have well-developed top-flight leagues capable of keeping their players. (Look at England, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia. Surprising [to me] are power houses like Argentina and Brazil.)

  • You can also see the reach of the Premier League and Bundesliga to get players from across the world. (I was surprised that 11 countries field players from the MLS.)

  • Some countries field a very disparate team. (The Italian game is played different than the English and different from the Germans.) Does that have any impact on success?

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The_mystery4321 t1_iwmg9i9 wrote

With Qatar and Saudi it's got nothing to do with the quality of the league, it's about the players not being good enough to get contracts anywhere else.

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will221996 t1_iwm5bgi wrote

>well-developed top-flight leagues

It's not about this at all. The best developed leagues are England, Italy, Spain, Germany, France in that order. On top of that, you have different levels of inequality within leagues, for example huge in France(dominated by PSG),big in Germany(Bayern slightly less dominant) and Spain(a few big clubs) and small in Italy(lots of pretty strong teams) and England(strongest "weak" teams). A Spanish player will choose to play frequently at a top Italian club over sit on the bench at Real Madrid.

The other really big factor, the reason why Saudi and Qatar and to a lesser extent England have so many domestically based players is money relative to talent. Also why Brazil and Argentina who have popular domestic leagues have so many players playing abroad. Almost every league has some sort of cap for foreign players or quota for domestic ones. The exceptions are Germany and Portugal without quotas or caps and Brazil where there is so much talent there's very little need to ever import players. Asian leagues generally have very restrictive, 3-5 caps on foreign players. The gulf leagues especially have a lot of money. Thus, a decent domestic player is worth their weight in gold. In England, you need to have a certain number of domestically trained players, a hangover from the EU days as you cannot directly discriminate against players from other parts of the EU. There is far more money in English football than there is in European football, and as such a good English trained player, most of whom are English or British, is worth a lot to English clubs.

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MeMoses t1_iwm79g2 wrote

>The best developed leagues are England, Italy, Spain, Germany, France in that order.

What? Italy and Spain over Germany?

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will221996 t1_iwmas47 wrote

Spain over Germany is a bit harsh I guess. From the Global Sporting Salaries survey in 2019, the most recent one I think, salary rates in Italy are higher than in Spain on average per player, when you exclude the 3 giant clubs, real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus(who had the third highest wage bill in football that year).

That year, clubs with average per player salaries in GBP between 1.9 and 4 million were: 4 in Germany, 5 in Italy, with Lazio very close but just under, 2 in Spain. Spain had the poorest clubs at the bottom, followed by Germany.

The main reason I had Germany below those two however is because of how much Bayern dominates. In Italy you have 6 very competitive big clubs, in Spain you have 3, in Germany you just have Bayern Munich.

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MeMoses t1_iwmd4u9 wrote

Development of leagues is not solely based on salaries paid. It's about quality of clubs, infrastructure, fan services, attendances and much more.

>The main reason I had Germany below those two however is because of how much Bayern dominates. In Italy you have 6 very competitive big clubs, in Spain you have 3, in Germany you just have Bayern Munich.

That's when you only look domestically. But we have CL, EL, Conference League to look at how they do against each other and even if Bayern wins every domestic title, the other teams in the Bundesliga still do well internationally against Spanish and Italian clubs.

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