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Grimalkin t1_ix4b04j wrote

I knew the numbers were lopsided in Qatar and UAE but didn't realize how much, wow.

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Chagrinnish t1_ix4ij6d wrote

In (e.g.) Qatar the citizen population is 300K and then the other 2M are foreign labor -- seven foreign workers for each citizen. It's pretty crazy.

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machado34 t1_ix6trjq wrote

Ripe for a revolution if you ask me

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prussian-junker t1_ix6xx1c wrote

Why? It’s not like the migrant workers are interested in Qatar. Most don’t want to live there and have families back home. The current situation is honestly pretty ok for them which is why they go there for work rather than stay in their home counties. Why would they ever destroy that?

There’s not really anything to gain yet it would cost them the opportunity which is the entire reason why they are there in the first place.

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CaptianYoshi t1_ix6zizt wrote

I could be wrong, but I thought most of the Southern Asian expats in the Middle East were more akin to indentured servants than migrant workers, and often overworked and underpaid on extremely long contracts.

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prussian-junker t1_ix70ttp wrote

Underpaid by Qatar standards but they make significantly more than they would back home. That’s why they do it. Otherwise you wouldn’t be able to convince 7 million people to do it.

It’s less slavery and more akin to how we in the west would treat something like working on an oil rig or sent to a weather station. It’s hard but you do it because the pay is good.

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CaptianYoshi t1_ix714bv wrote

Interesting, thats a perspective I haven’t thought about.

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Doinjustgood t1_ix77stm wrote

Speaking as a Nepali guy, I agree with you guys. In Nepal people don't get well-deserved opportunities to sustain. So working in these nations is their only option, since they lack language skills to go work in other developed nations.

But the working and living conditions there are really tough. I personally, was lucky that my parents could afford to send me to Europe for study and work. But I had a friend, who worked almost for a year in Dubai. Where he was constantly bullied, discriminated by manager and workers from other nations. He had to share bedroom and bathroom with 16 people. And the kitchen used to be one big hall for the whole building. I often hear more terrible stories from other people.

Although they aren't treated as slaves, basic human rights are neglected, and often their work contract are terminated untimely or sometimes underpaid.

The government in Nepal is to blame completely. It benefits from remittance of the workers, but doesn't ensure people's rights in the working nation. In fact, the gov is so corrupt, it accepts bribe to let many employment agencies in the country pass, which randomly employ people to work in such conditions. There have been few revolts against that, yes. But it always turned futile. In the upcoming elections, many intelligent and sympathetic people are getting elected. Hopefully, they'll listen to the cries of people.

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DrTonyTiger t1_ix84ul6 wrote

Are the foreign laborers even considered people by the Qataris? Would they make the "population" graph differently?

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Apprehensive_Ad_3957 t1_ix8m8o5 wrote

Not very different from how migrant workers treated elsewhere for example Spain pretty much treats it's migrant workers in plantation industry in terrible condition. It's just Qatar has extremely large migrant worker population

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gofardeep t1_ixbllix wrote

Talk about human rights, exploitation and path to citizenship. I am just referring to folks in the US being so concerned about DACA and what not. I tell my friends at least in US you people talk about it. No one even gives a damn to human rights in the middle east for non-citizens

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DeplorableCaterpill t1_ix5uvx2 wrote

South Asians seem to make up a majority of the population in UAE, but strangely, I don't think I saw any when I visited Dubai.

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SneakySpy42 t1_ix5x8s4 wrote

It wouldnt be prudent to have the people you keep as slaves to be seen by the rich/famous people visiting your country

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ConsistentDeal2 t1_ix67rui wrote

There are south asians working in all tiers of society there, but if it's a super fancy location you're probably more likely to see largely westerners and arabs

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ResponsibilityOk235 t1_ix609gr wrote

Absolute lies. I saw them everywhere when I went there could hardly find an ethnic Arab

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OldExperience8252 t1_ix80k7e wrote

There are tons of super rich Indians and other south Asians in Dubai though..

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SneakySpy42 t1_ix8su8b wrote

I bet you there are more slaves than rich people from those regions in dubai

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OldExperience8252 t1_ix9cabn wrote

If by slaves you mean construction workers, yes.

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SneakySpy42 t1_ix9xfrk wrote

By slaves I mean people who are brought into the country to work and have their passports taken away from them and find themselves living indentured servitude

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OldExperience8252 t1_ix9znpk wrote

The Kafala system applies to all foreign workers in Qatar, including white collar foreigners making 6 figures.

Millions of low skilled workers from Asia and Africa travel to work in Qatar and the rest of the Middle East every year. There’s a reason for this.

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SneakySpy42 t1_ixa48ju wrote

Keep defending slavery

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OldExperience8252 t1_ixa4p6e wrote

*Attacking misinformation

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SneakySpy42 t1_ixa5pio wrote

BingQiLing + 10000 social credit!

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OldExperience8252 t1_ixa67f2 wrote

I disagreed with you so I must be a paid shill of course.

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SneakySpy42 t1_ixa8tpq wrote

Nah I think you're probably just an idiot but you happen to be defending a repressive regime

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OldExperience8252 t1_ixabfaj wrote

Very happy to criticise any country as long as it’s with accurate information.

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grandtheftdragon t1_ix5xnn2 wrote

There is at least in Qatar (and very likely other gulf states) zoning laws that restrict where the totally not slaves can live. The authorities don't want foreigners with any kind of money seeing these people. In the case of Qatar, there is a special zone for these people which the government is quietly liquidating, due to coming scrutiny from outside.

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ResponsibilityOk235 t1_ix60b2j wrote

Absolute lies. I saw them everywhere when I went there could hardly find an Arab

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AgentBroccoli t1_ix87yt5 wrote

So these countries can expect negative population growth for the next 30ish years (of native peoples).

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ackermann t1_ix5ye67 wrote

Huh, even if women can vote in those countries (not sure)… they’re outvoted!

No wonder women’s rights are terrible in the region.

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ZookeepergameOwn1726 t1_ix62l9b wrote

You think the male expats get the right to vote ? Lol.

Even male citizens can barely vote for minor, useless local election.

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ackermann t1_ix636qx wrote

Didn’t realize expats were counted for these numbers

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Ho3n3r t1_ix51j5i wrote

Basically graphs of which countries in the gulf have the highest percentage of foreign workers.

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speedycat2014 t1_ix48acw wrote

That whole area is such a sexually frustrated sausage fest. Can't imagine living in that litterbox wasteland of human rights.

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[deleted] t1_ix4liwm wrote

Just to be clear the actual citizens are of the normal gender ratio, there's just tons of migrant workers. However I doubt those workers would ever be allowed to touch a local woman.

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Sk-yline1 t1_ix5vti5 wrote

Not to mention many of them are probably married and working abroad to provide for their families in India or Pakistan

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RandoClarissian t1_ix5fh6n wrote

Agreed, these charts are misleading, representing migrant workers as "normal" citizens, which they are almost certainly not.

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PurpleCounter1358 t1_ix6w2wl wrote

Well, but when you are classifying 7/8 people in a society as abnormal and 1/8 as normal citizens it's worth a graph IMO.

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mod_target_6769 t1_ix5vuej wrote

The rich sheiks are not sexually frustrated. They fly in Instagram models and pornstars on the regular. They don’t have an issue with getting laid.

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Gogoing t1_ix5fwn2 wrote

Reddit neckbeard who can't logic here.

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DSEEE t1_ix4vzow wrote

Absolute sausage-fest.

But I'm guessing the migrant workers exist in a near-100% male enclave, and the native population is actually much more evenly distributed.

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grandtheftdragon t1_ix5yclx wrote

Qatar (and likely others who do this kind of labor system) designates most parts of Doha as family zones. This restricts the non citizens (employed bachelors) to ghettos set up for the migrants, which they are pretty much confined to outside of work.

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Doinjustgood t1_ix78soc wrote

Yep, ghetto is definitely the right word. I'm from Nepal and hearing from sb who used to work there, it wasn't necessarily a confinement. But the buildings in those sectors were completely inhabited by men. And when people returned to their room after dark, they'd often get raped, beaten or robbed by other violent workers. So basically life is: go to work, return to room, go to work....

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Low-Stay6632 t1_ix60ddu wrote

Weird. The Persian Gulf seems like such a nice place for women.
I wonder what’s up?

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appendixgallop t1_ix6a7hr wrote

Maybe not such a nice place for female fetuses or infants.

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AljunaibiiM t1_ix76a23 wrote

Yeah great idea let’s make up something then get mad at it!

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Adept-Cartoonist-304 t1_ix709ob wrote

Sorry to break your dreams but no we don’t bury girls alive and no we don’t abort a baby if she was a girl

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kgunnar OP t1_ix45hoi wrote

Tools: Tableau

Data Sources:

Population Pyramids

https://www.populationpyramid.net/qatar/2019/

Expats by Country:

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-and-emigrant-populations-country-origin-and-destination

Expat Share of Population:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Oman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Bahrain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Qatar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Kuwait

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Arab_Emirates

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just_a_dreem t1_ix4ngbl wrote

Hey OP… nice work! So you created the visual using Tableau? Is that an accessible tool for amateurs to use? I would like to present data like that at some point

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Sufficient-Scheme210 t1_ix4ryow wrote

There is a public Version of Tableau. This is a free Version. But with limitations as far as i know. You can also use powerBI Desktop. Its free.

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kgunnar OP t1_ix4vaoa wrote

The only limitations are the data source types. Basically you have to connect to an excel or similar on your local machine. Also, you can only save it by publishing it - you can’t save locally. All the visualization features are identical AFAIK.

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Lolitarose_x t1_ix65y8d wrote

I wonder which countries then have more women than men? These countries of the expats?

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kgunnar OP t1_ix6bwxk wrote

All else being equal, countries will generally have more women than men simply because women live longer.

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readMyFlow t1_ix71586 wrote

Forget the sex ratio. 88% expat? wtf.

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GenAnon t1_ix5g5am wrote

I bet the gay bros are surreptitiously getting their freak on though.

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professor-ks t1_ix6y4tc wrote

I googled the population pyramid of India: and it still skews male.

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TachyCardio t1_ix7198w wrote

If this is caused by a large percentage of migrant workers, do we see any other countries that have more females in the same age range? My thinking is, if the male migrant workers all left their countries to work elsewhere, we should see more females in those places. However I don't think I've ever seen a population graph showing this

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baydew t1_ix80jqk wrote

Perhaps but I think one thing to realize is that the countries that the migrant workers come from are for the most part far far more populated. The country that sends the most migrant workers is india, and the 5-6 million that they send represents a huge slice of the population in places like Qatar, UAE, etc but are less than 1% of indias own population

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Crazy__Donkey t1_ix7d0cq wrote

  1. gender ration, not sex.
  2. counting the foreign workers is not correct. many of them have families abroad, and are there only to work, not to create a new family with a local woman.
  3. I'm pretty sure most countries have laws forbidding such relationships, but even if there are lucky men who started a family with a local women, they are just a blip in the data.

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you should do this with only citizens, not all residents.

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kgunnar OP t1_ix7fnfm wrote

  1. It’s sex ratio:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_ratio

  1. So we are saying that 88% of people who are living in a country don’t exist? They are included in a country’s official population count at any given time. It’s not about who is or isn’t having relationships, it’s just a fact that there is a huge disparity in the male to female ratio in these countries.

  2. Then why bother? Even if I could find that data, the statistics would likely be uninteresting.

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kgunnar OP t1_ix7hvtz wrote

How is it misleading? Are the statistics incorrect? There is no political or other statement intentionally being made here. I don’t think the fact that there are presently far more males than females living in these countries is disputed.

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Kopfballer t1_ix7tr0s wrote

Expats is the wrong word.

Definition of Expat:

>An expatriate (often shortened to expat) is a person who resides outside their native country.[1] In common usage, the term often refers to educated professionals, skilled workers, or artists taking positions outside their home country, either independently or sent abroad by their employers.

So those poor guys from India and Nepal dying on Qatari construction sites or who serve as slaves, are "educated professionals"?

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kgunnar OP t1_ix7vamx wrote

Common usage or not, It’s technically correct per your own provided definition: “a person who resides outside their native country”. There is a mix of both laborers (lots) and professionals (some) in these countries, so I think it’s applicable. Defining the group simply as migrant laborers would be incorrect.

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SoftPenguins t1_ix84rln wrote

Are women leaving these countries? Or are men being imported into these countries? There is a reason why the sexes aren’t roughly 50/50

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kgunnar OP t1_ix85yhj wrote

Per the notes at the top, the difference is due to a huge influx of male workers.

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kramecian t1_ix8acbr wrote

So what’s the sex ratio in India?

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tap_the_cap t1_ix8fayy wrote

You called it the "Persian Gulf", yet didn't include Iran...

The Arabs (list included) call it the "Arab Gulf"

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kgunnar OP t1_ix8gtd6 wrote

I only included select countries with significantly disproportionate m/f ratios. Saudi Arabia was a bit skewed but not as much as these others. Iran was fairly normal.

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HungryRobotics t1_ix9dlgu wrote

Oh this is quite interesting as I can see factors that influence a conclusion you can draw from male/female ratios in countries...

Males have a higher birth rate on average but, we have a higher death rate.

In undeveloped and unstable countries the results typically lead to a population ratio that'll look something like 52% female 48% male overall.

And once you get in good child care, schools to keep teen boys busy and medical care we see the shift towards the opposite 52% male and 48% female. Closer to the actual average birth rate.

This of course doesn't include some areas after major wars or genocide where the make population is targeted, it happens.

But...males are most likely to be immigrant workers (at least that count. I doubt women tricked or captured into sex slavery -they'd have the higher number there- would make that statistics)

So, the ratio can also be greatly effected by (off the top of my head) factors of: location compareitivly to somewhere with significant poverty or lower wages, available jobs, wok immigration policy.

To really set some of this data out... Countries directly bordering these nations. And, comparing to the country from which there highest work immigrants come from. Have they shifted drastically the other direction?

Also... I'm now a fan of the wall. /S

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-The_Red_Viper- t1_iycssyr wrote

Ideal for gay people in one way, less then ideal in other ways...

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matrix2220 t1_ix5nbco wrote

The data is not relevant to be honest. The domination of expats is leading us to no useful conclusion.

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YourGypsiFriend t1_ix5ykq9 wrote

These countries are actually just South Asian colonies

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miliduh t1_ix6buoo wrote

Are they killing baby girls or just importing male indians?

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0tt0attack t1_ix6saaz wrote

The latter. If you saw the graph, most of these countries are none native who came for work. Mostly as low labor.

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CapinWinky t1_ix6c5io wrote

I know this is mostly male workers, but I imagine a small slice is from women escaping to more female friendly countries as soon as they are old enough.

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Super_Saiyan_Carl t1_ix6hev3 wrote

And they expect xx amount of virgins when they die? Where the fuck they gonna get them from 🤣

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aldergone t1_ix6uxcp wrote

don't be sexist - they are used to being around men so they will get male virgins

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Segler1970 t1_ix6uifo wrote

Angry young men everywhere

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asseatstonk t1_ix55800 wrote

Kuwait has Children as slaves?

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zakats t1_ix49pu4 wrote

Who would want to bring a girl into such a horrifically male-dominated culture?

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ZookeepergameOwn1726 t1_ix4co0r wrote

That's a very weird way to look at it. The male surplus is due to expat construction workers. They are hardly "dominating" the female citizens of those countries. As a woman who looks very Arab, I assure you, it's better to be me in the gulf than a man who looks Indian.

When you spend time in upper-middle-class to rich areas, the gender ratio isn't shocking. It's when you walk in working class areas that you notice you're the only woman in a street with hundreds of people.

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pocketbookashtray t1_ix70172 wrote

Once again reminding us that the so-called gender-pay gap is a myth. You’ve listed some of the best paying jobs for non-college grads, and women do t want them.

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Bwustin t1_ix4jati wrote

Why don’t women come to the gulf to work like the men do?

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ZookeepergameOwn1726 t1_ix4jzpz wrote

They do. Many teachers in UAE schools are female western expats for example and a lot of Philippinas work as maids, nannies or cleaning staff.

It's just that the construction sector is by far the biggest employer of foreign workers and those are 100% male, creating this imbalance.

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deeplife t1_ix5ij1h wrote

Same reason you don’t see women in, say, construction sites in the US.

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zakats t1_ix4mwld wrote

shhh, women don't talk-- or drive... (in the Arabian peninsula)

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Svitii t1_ix5xkoo wrote

Let’s protest so they take female slaves too work themselves do death, fucking animals

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draypresct t1_ix5i0b6 wrote

Someday, scientists will innocently come up with a pill that lets people choose the sex of their babies.

A generation later, there will be brushfire wars all over the Middle East and Asia.

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noxx1234567 t1_ix5s54b wrote

These charts are super misleading , they count migrant workers as part of the population but they are not .

They don't even have basic rights over there and are not even allowed to interact with locals outside work , they will never get citizenship even if they are born there

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kgunnar OP t1_ix5tqzg wrote

It says very clearly at the top it’s because of migrant workers. It’s counting the entire population of the country, not simply the native citizens. I’m not making any attempt to insinuate otherwise.

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randomjeepguy157 t1_ix6c1cm wrote

Why did you put the males on the right? I’ve only seen males on the left, this throws me off big time. I’ve taught population pyramids for the past 14 years in high school and have always had males on the left.

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kgunnar OP t1_ix6l4zb wrote

Aesthetic reasons. I didn’t want the empty space on the left and wanted the labels for male % on the right side. I know it’s the opposite of others I’ve seen, but I wasn’t aware of a standardized format. (I didn’t want to make females pink, either.)

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randomjeepguy157 t1_ix6mywe wrote

I don’t know if it’s a standard, it’s just what I’ve always been taught and have seen. Great job on them though.

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T3rribl3Gam3D3v t1_ix6cboi wrote

This is so disgusting. Just name them Incel countries at this point

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Taalnazi t1_ix4nqvg wrote

Must be a Qatari shill, u/Bwustin . Account's only 20 days old lol.

Also way more countries have free health care than Qatar. You're still stupid for giving up such basic rights. I don't care what you say either but I do care that you didn't even do your homework properly enough to be able to say this.

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1973mojo1973 t1_ix4aq5l wrote

Well, maybe if they stop aborting & killing female babies...

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Naifmon t1_ix4d7s7 wrote

Abortion is banned in all gulf countries. You can see the young population is almost 50/50 boys and girls.

This have nothing to do with it and more with migrants who make a large percentage of population from India and Pakistan and Bangladesh being overwhelmingly men.

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ZookeepergameOwn1726 t1_ix4gp5e wrote

I agree with your overall point. Just wanna note that abortion in legal in Oman, Kuwait and Qatar in cases of risks to a woman's life, health and in cases of rape.

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speedycat2014 t1_ix4kddq wrote

So, women actually have a little more freedom there than in Texas or Tennessee, or many other Republican run US states.

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