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Mahameghabahana t1_j0emdjf wrote

India fertility rate is already at 2.1 and in many states it's below that.

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StationOost t1_j0g03gt wrote

It's below replacement rate, but it'll take decades before the population starts decreasing.

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jasonmonroe t1_j0grl9e wrote

Is 2.1 good or bad?

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PandemicReaper t1_j0h2l3m wrote

2,1 children per woman is replacement level. This means that each woman needs to have 2,1 children to sustain a stable population.

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jasonmonroe t1_j0nkwg9 wrote

What if women collectively decide not to have children and pursue careers? What’s the remedy?

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Roughneck16 t1_j0dm8x4 wrote

China also has 34M more men than women.

How is that going to affect their society?

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Clemenx00 t1_j0dzlzq wrote

Nothing that a good ole war won't balance out.

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Colorado_Rat t1_j0dqsbj wrote

Honestly not much. That’s like 51%M/49%F. US runs at 49.5%M/50.5%F and you still see a ton of ugly guys w/o girlfriends.

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Foraning t1_j0edtjt wrote

Not comparable as it's different age groups. Doesn't helpt chinese young men that there's a lot of retired ladies being single.

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aminbae t1_j1o6dk6 wrote

lots of viet/cambodian/laos/myanmarese women for them to take

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jasonmonroe t1_j0grp90 wrote

That means they have to compete for women. Treat those ladies like gold guys!

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dog_eat_god t1_j0dmdc5 wrote

Quantity of life, not quality of life.

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LanewayRat t1_j0dru9c wrote

So you didn’t read it?

India’s population growth is slowing considerably (due to start falling after 2050). The economy is set to boom in that time, the article says, suggesting more of the improvements to the quality of life that India is already starting to experience.

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X0AN t1_j0dtt5y wrote

Set to boom is not the same as will boom.

Also, saying don't worry in 30 years you'll be ok isn't particularly helpful to most people.

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LanewayRat t1_j0duerj wrote

No, that isn’t what I (the article) said.

Don’t believe it if you want, but don’t make it up.

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ArkGuardian t1_j0ez1ms wrote

Eh the fertility rate isn't really a concern. Who knows what will happen to the economy but a demographic collapse in one direction doesn't seem to be in the cards

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mynameismy111 t1_j0klq6n wrote

Based on COVID there's a fair chance 30 years for population to peak isn't the most likely odd

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market_theory t1_j0eywqw wrote

The Indian economy has been set to boom for the last 50 years.

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sunchaud t1_j0f7bk8 wrote

And by most metrics, it has been booming for the past 20 years: > GDP: 8x, to 3.2 trillion dollars in 2021

> HDI: up 0.18, to .633

> GDP per Capita: up 5.5 times to 2.3k

> Poverty Rate: down 40 p.p, from 55% to 16%. that's 400MM people out of poverty (!!)

Obviously it does not hold a candle to western Europe levels of development, but it has taken big strides and to argue otherwise is ignorant.

That not withstanding, as anyone with basic understanding of socioeconomic development would know, progress is exponencial and it's faster when the populations stops expanding massively. As India approach replacement levels in fertility, the focus stops being expansion of services and starts being on quality, thus India readies itself for the "true boom".

You can hate India all you want, but it has been doing its homework over the century, despite all the geopolitical noise.

At last, India has been independent for 75 years and talks of "the boom of the economy" have been common place only after 1990. So no, not 50 years

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Jerund t1_j0h9rt8 wrote

Similar to china but you hear only hear from china is the one pulling off this miracle phenomenon

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market_theory t1_j0ihzhn wrote

It has experienced good real per capita growth -- which is to be expected given its low starting point -- but the predictions that it will soon outstrip China have yet to be realized.

> You can hate India all you want

Why do you think I hate India? I don't much like its current leader or his moronic hindutva supporters but I'd much rather see it do well than China.

> "the boom of the economy" have been common place only after 1990

I will concede I overstated the period.

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sunchaud t1_j0k0vwj wrote

> Predictions will outrstrip China

There has been no such predictions in the last 15 years. The most bullish predictions have India catching up to Japan in the next 10-15 years ( in terms of gross GDP). In most social aspects, India is close to where China was in 2007-2008, so we are 15 years behind.

It is true that China has shown signs of economic weakness due to their 0 COVID policy, but most economic agents still have them growing at 4-5% per year and surpassing them in the short-mid term is a pipe dream

The hope is to close the gap and to compete with them more fiercely.

> Low base

Preposterous statement. India and all non European/NAFTA/Australia and NZ started from the almost same low base. It is the 4th country that most grew in this time period

Take LATAM as an example, no country was able to maintain India's rate of growth this consistently except for China. To deny the active role of the governments and the people is not based on reality

Besides, if a 900% growth in GDP is not a boom for you, I don't know what would be

> I don't hate India

I might have let the tone of other comments in this thread make me biased. If so, my apologies

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LanewayRat t1_j0feeks wrote

Do you realize how relatively well off the Indian people in the picture are compared with a similar crowd 20 years ago? Look at them.

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StationOost t1_j0g07j4 wrote

You will find well-off people in any society on Earth. It says nothing about the whole country.

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market_theory t1_j0ih2v5 wrote

Obviously it has experienced real per capita growth but the predictions that it will soon outstrip China have yet to be realized.

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LanewayRat t1_j0iknqf wrote

Yes… “predictions” that anything will happen “soon” are all yet to be realized 🤷🏼‍♂️

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mynameismy111 t1_j0kltce wrote

Comparing 1950s India to 2000s alone, things have gotten better

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Silly-One7351 t1_j0yq0hn wrote

Half of the population are burden to the nation. Govt use most of the taxpayer money on feeding those for free instead of development works. Govt have to supply them free ration, free house, free water, free electricity. Instead of that if government use those amount on developing infrastructure India by now have become a developed nation. All those recieving government free supply now think that it is duty of the government to supply them everything for free. That is why India will never become a developed country. India offer money for safe delivery and thus promoting fertility. Instead those having 2 child should be force sterilized.

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SubstantialPrimary41 t1_j1ltk58 wrote

The majority of people in India just have babies because they feel like it. People should plan to have a baby, it's a lifelong responsibility.

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ChildLabourTycoon t1_j2d4vq9 wrote

most of them actually turn out to be fine

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SubstantialPrimary41 t1_j2e8co0 wrote

Don’t agree with that. Responsible parenting is required especially in an overpopulated country. Most of people in India just having kids without even thinking if they have means enough to give their child a good life. It’s immature behaviour.

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Ghostforever7 t1_j0folpt wrote

After seeing that 213 ft garbage pile there recently in the news, I don't think this is a stat to be proud of.

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RepulsiveWrangler729 t1_j17nbs6 wrote

why do you think anybody is proud of this?

population is the cause of most problems in our country

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BiggieJohnATX t1_j0fdu2x wrote

and they cant even begin to feed 1/10 their population . . .absolutly terrifying population explosion

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Then-Treat1346 t1_j0frxki wrote

Space and housing, maybe. Food shortage is the last problem India has to face

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BiggieJohnATX t1_j0fvof9 wrote

India buys 3/4 of their food from China

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Loud_Tap6160 t1_j0g1rx6 wrote

you really pulled it out of your puckered asshole didn't you

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Picolete t1_j0dsmvy wrote

If you count Pakistan and Bangladesh, the number would be even higher

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Zestyclose_Hamster_5 t1_j0e19mg wrote

But you don't..........because they are different countries.

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Justinneed t1_j0ftil9 wrote

You know they used to not be right? He didn’t just pick random countries.

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Zestyclose_Hamster_5 t1_j0fukj7 wrote

As an American of Pakistani descent, I'm fully aware.

I am also fully aware of the riots in India around the time of partition, the mass rape of Muslim children in Gujarat, the killing and rape of innocent Kashmiris, and the current treatment of Muslims in India under the Nazi-inspired RSS regime.

Please do not lecture me about the recent history of the subcontinent.

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Loud_Tap6160 t1_j0g1plg wrote

>rape of innocent Kashmiris

first Pakistani to admit Kashmiri pandit genocide..kudos!

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bade_bhrata t1_j0zbblp wrote

>Pakistani descent,

>killing and rape of innocent Kashmiris,

Bro you are the first pakistani to admit the genocide of Kashmiri Hindus. You have my respect for that

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Justinneed t1_j1hjtsw wrote

That is a complete straw man. I said nothing about any of that. He was commenting that the population would be higher if you included the rest of the historically larger region. This is accurate. There is absolutely no reason to try and one up anyone. His comment was accurate.

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burns_after_reading t1_j0e1yq9 wrote

I bet the number would be even higher with the more countries you combine into it...

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i_steal_your_mom t1_j0evmkw wrote

We should like count evey other country too, the number would be soooooo high wtf

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