Xtasy0178 t1_j8crh3k wrote
Reply to comment by DarkKitarist in Motherboard Shipments Plummet by Ten Million Units in 2022 by Avieshek
For real… I am always amazed that this idea of infinite growth is possible and everyone being upset when a company has to admit… it isn’t.
alc4pwned t1_j8de1ul wrote
Sure. But idk why people think headlines like these are evidence of that. A product selling less than the year before happens all the time. In fact, it's expected to happen periodically during recessions (not that we're in one now).
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alc4pwned t1_j8dlg8s wrote
The accepted defition of a recession is pretty clear. We have not seen two consecutive quarters of GDP decline, so it's not a recession.
And while the layoffs are concerning, the economy added 500k net jobs in January. We may well be in a recession soon, but we're really not right now.
Imkindaalrightiguess t1_j8dper9 wrote
Because it's just price gouging bullshit. We've experienced gdp growth while getting robbed.
The avian flu was used as a cover to double the price of eggs.
plummbob t1_j8fqs0l wrote
Price gouging would indicate the economy is not in recession
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alc4pwned t1_j8dsued wrote
I think you’ve got a really really long way to go from the egg situation to making the case that GDP growth as a whole is solely the result of price gouging lol
Imkindaalrightiguess t1_j8e3gi2 wrote
Death by a thousand cuts, not slippery slope.
I'm saying every industry is finding new ways to squeeze their user base.
Attempting infinite growth is a function of capitalism. If you have no market to grow into you wring out what you can from existing customers.
Have you not noticed the rise in cost of necessities, fast food, and housing against stagnant wages?
alc4pwned t1_j8e4mwn wrote
Sure. But pointing out that price gouging exists does not make the case that current GDP growth is the result of price gouging. That’s what I’m saying.
Informal-Soil9475 t1_j8dpofy wrote
Recessions are really declared after they happen. And even so, the official statistics that determine a recession dont really help quantify the state of the economy.
Price gouging for example is not even a factor.
Puzzled_Plate_3464 t1_j8dq760 wrote
> because the execs are panicked about the outlook of the next few years.
yea old self fulfilling prophecy.
so your execs are world class economists in addition to being lawyers?
or they are a bunch of scared old guys who want to protect their share of the firm, so they can keep on buying their houses and cars and watches?
Ask them why they are laying off and freezing hiring before the event occurs? Isn't that sort of assuring they'll lose business, have less revenue, make less money right now (ummm, tell me again, how do we get into a recession - oh yeah, by shrinking). They can always lay off when it actually happens (cause they don't care about people - just $$$$)
I put zero confidence into the ability of your execs to be economists (I give only a little more to actual economists). However, it is that blind groupthink that will become a self fulfilling prophecy and get us there.
GSPilot t1_j8dnbpt wrote
It’s almost as if people worrying about and preparing as if a recession is imminent, are causing the prophecy to become reality.
docbauies t1_j8e4ejy wrote
Is it expecting infinite growth? Or is it thinking that the total addressable market may grow (due to opening new markets for a product, or finding new customers within a market due to interest growth) or that a given company is looking to increase their market share. Companies can grow and expect growth without thinking it is infinite.
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