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Complex-Singularity t1_ivf5t9q wrote
Rogermcfarley t1_ivf604y wrote
There are more recently electric mopeds but traditionally mopeds use petrol engines around 50cc
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goofedonskunkweed t1_ivf9hvx wrote
will be interesting to see how they price this
boones_farmer t1_ivfd1b7 wrote
I wonder how this will be handled by laws that currently categorize scooters by engine CC.
ghostcatzero t1_ivfecxg wrote
At least 50 g's
-_Potato t1_ivfeh6b wrote
Moped is a weird definition.
Some rules involving engine displacement and speeed
50 to 150cc (or however they want to equate wattage to that for an electric motor)usually governed to no more then 35mph.
They typically offer cheaper licensing and registration requirements.
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AlphaTangoFoxtrt t1_ivfg5ct wrote
Mostly they've been gas powered. There's not really been a push to go electric with them because they tend to get 100 mpg or more (tiny engine, light weight).
When you're that fuel efficient there's just not a demand for electric.
AlphaTangoFoxtrt t1_ivfg9ig wrote
All government inefficiencies and processes aside, as in I can snap my fingers and make the change, the best way would be to classify them by horsepower instead.
ScuddsMcDudds t1_ivfgiuj wrote
A lot of electric (and some gas-powered) mopeds have pedals since they’re light enough to manually pedal if you run out of fuel
nathanfay t1_ivfgluk wrote
You're drunk
kreygmu t1_ivfiezh wrote
A lot also have a hp/kW restriction.
kreygmu t1_ivfitk0 wrote
Mopeds used to have pedals! That's what the "ped" bit in the name means. I actually think there's something in having a compact vehicle like this that can have pedal assist to boost its range/flexibility, guess Honda think something similar.
FuckFashMods t1_ivfkqfa wrote
Also there's no real reason when you can get an electric bike that does the same performance but has no license requirements and can go places motor vehicles can't go
surnik22 t1_ivfl8hc wrote
Since it has pedals it’s will likely legally be an electric bike. Which various states and cities already have laws for. Most are related to “top speed” which classifies and regulates them accordingly. Usually 20-25 mph unassisted is the limit.
But if this goes faster they could also just have a way to switch on artificial limits. Set the scooter to bike mode and it can only go 25 mph but is legal in bike lanes and without a motorcycle license. Set it to scooter mode and it can go faster but legally you need what you would need for an electric motorcycle.
surnik22 t1_ivfldhg wrote
So it can legally be an electric bike and ride in bike lanes without motorcycle license. Depending on top speed.
ryraps5892 t1_ivflgbh wrote
In terms of comparing to other brands: Honda is an economic option for cars, but as we all know, cars are expensive rn so that’s not saying much. They have some of the most expensive generators in the business. They’re really good, but you can get a Cummins generator for like, half the price. Their motorcycles are also good, but they’re again very expensive in this category as well…
Taking the information I know about honda… and what i already know as a current moped owner, as well as the hype surrounding e-bikes/mopeds booming demand for cheap transportation alternatives in this economy. Honestly, I don’t see this being under 5 grand for the first-gen models.
Very unfortunate the way the moped/e-bike industry is headed. Rather than targeting the audience that can’t afford cars and really need reliable transportation, they’re going to price these for yuppies who wanna avoid traffic between their job and overpriced brownstone apartment. It’s sad honestly, if I could snag one of these for like 2 1/2 grand I would.
DonutCola t1_ivfmqn8 wrote
There are already millions of electric scooters and similar devices dude just look up the current laws
notmoleliza t1_ivfn8n5 wrote
a mid spec road bike or mountain bike is 1500-3500 right now. IF this scooter thing was 5k i would consider that a good price now a days. i'm thinking closer to 9K
PlayfulParamedic2626 t1_ivfnlx4 wrote
It counts as a bike for local government rules and bike trails. You can software lock the speeds to a class 2 bike for New York City for example
Buckwheat469 t1_ivfnsek wrote
If they can electrify the CT90 without losing any of it's features, range, or trail capabilities then that would be great. They just remade it as a 125cc model.
RoastDozer t1_ivfobgl wrote
Please god may it make some sort of noise
Edit: To the comment down-voters: The next time you are walking or riding your bike and one of these zippy e-bikes plows you from behind at 40mph (with no warning of any kind), remember your downvote (and lube). It needs to make some kind of George Jetson noise.
Morley_Lives t1_ivfv2du wrote
So you can pedal with your feet.
Snoo93079 t1_ivfvlxp wrote
motor pedal
PleasantAdvertising t1_ivfw549 wrote
E Bikes are extremely expensive for what they are.
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MisterMasterCylinder t1_ivfwqm3 wrote
Honda motorcycles aren't the cheapest option, but for the most part they're not outrageously expensive, either. Excluding their top-end models like the Goldwing and such, at least
roxyamused t1_ivfyxiv wrote
Pretty cute, though the color scheme is a little drab for my tastes.
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nickstatus t1_ivfz3yc wrote
In the past I've had a gas moped, I currently have an electric moped, and on both those pedals are essentially useless. You're not going anywhere with those pedals. I think they are included as a sort of legal fig leaf. Also, they're not light, at all. My electric moped weighs 120 lbs.
PleasantAdvertising t1_ivfzeks wrote
Twice as expensive as my 2010 car yes absolutely. Nothing in the design nor R&D justifies that much money. Not even close.
LonelyGameBoi t1_ivfzt5f wrote
moped is motor - pedal
FuckFashMods t1_ivg00ih wrote
I mean you can get decent e-bikes for $1000 and really good ones for $2000 and a decent regular bike is like at least 400- 500$.
If you have like a $2000 2010 car, I think you're very soon going to figure out why you were able to buy it for $2000
1live4downvotes t1_ivg0i8j wrote
uggg in my state/city the rules are so dumb! The bike lanes are filled with people on electric scooters/bikes that really shouldn't be there. You know what I love? Being on a bike in the bike lane and having a dude on an electric bike zoom past me way to close going 20-30mph. At this point in time a lot of these things are essentially just motor cycles/mopeds which are not allowed in bike lanes. If you want to make the argument that it's safer for them to be in the bike lane, then people are missing the point of having bike lanes.
We really should start requiring more people to register these devices, like mopeds and motor cycles, and require the scrutiny. AKA head lights, brake lights, turn signals, etc. Even the people who ride unregistered dirt bikes on the road have better common sense than a lot of the electric scooter/bike people (sans the dirt bike gangs that over take entire roads doing wheelies).
mjh2901 t1_ivg0v5b wrote
No one remembers that there where mopeds that where pedal start, like push starting a car.
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ryraps5892 t1_ivg1s51 wrote
That would make it unrealistically expensive for someone like me, that’s for sure. I got my cheap lil grom copy a couple years back for $1200 and put another ~$1000 in parts on it since then. Now its actually faster than the Hondas in my city… and I like the way it rides better than the Hondas I’ve tried too. It would be nice to cut out trips to the gas station every 100 miles by going electric, but is what it is, maybe someday.
Bigred2989- t1_ivg28r5 wrote
Article says it's if the motor can't get you up a hill.
spinelession t1_ivg2geq wrote
road bike, yes. unfortunately, mid-spec mountain bikes now START at like 3500 usd. past couple years have been rough lol
mista_adams t1_ivg2m36 wrote
This is so dogs-balls-obvious it kills me.
sonofthenation t1_ivg3bnb wrote
Some also have mandatory pedal assist. So you have to pedal to get the emotor to work.
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Sacred-Squash t1_ivg4ftg wrote
Considering they have Mopes you don’t have to pedal at like 3-4K I think it will be ebike prices.
Luis__FIGO t1_ivg4oly wrote
They aren't pricing it at a 1/3rd of the civic
Grimij t1_ivg57xm wrote
Probably at least $1500-2000, and that's really low-balling. I'd say just build your own, either way.
You can build a 1500w 52v 21ah ebike that goes about 35mph with a range of 30-50miles in the realms of ~$500 if you already have a bike. Much more affordable than anything prebuilt, with far greater performance.
_DirtyDog t1_ivg5j3a wrote
Yeah but is a self-build road legal?
notmoleliza t1_ivg5jk7 wrote
and you're probably right. not as familiar with the MTB game right now
Imaginary_Courage_84 t1_ivg5nfm wrote
Americans be like if anyone in the current zip code can sleep then it’s not fun to drive :(
Idiot_Savant_Tinker t1_ivg5qd7 wrote
I messed around with motorized bikes using ICE engines back in the late 2000's, always wanted to do an electric one... but the prices of batteries and speed controls always put it out of sight. Are batteries that much cheaper now?
WiartonWilly t1_ivg677c wrote
Yes. Those pedals are just decorations. Doubtful the seat or pedals are in the correct position for anyone. Doesn’t look very adjustable.
unpaid_overtime t1_ivg7002 wrote
Please Honda, just give me an electric version of the Helix. It was already the perfect scooter, just slap some batteries and an electric motor in it.
renothedog t1_ivg7bwj wrote
Will most likely be twice the cost of normal scooters and not justifiable even with today’s gas prices
Several_Prior3344 t1_ivg8iap wrote
I felt like I had a stroke reading that headline.
mechapoitier t1_ivg8iy8 wrote
It’s literally in the name. Moped = motor and pedals. You can ride it as a motorbike, pedal bike, or both.
In gas engine form they used to be popular but by the 1990s that was falling off. People will erroneously call motor scooters mopeds now even though they look significantly different.
1live4downvotes t1_ivgapdv wrote
I guess dirt bike gangs was a dead give away lol.
General1lol t1_ivgav2y wrote
Depends on your local laws. In my city, bicyclists are treated as vehicles and they require no registration. This includes e-bikes (self built or not). So in my case, “road legal” requirements wouldn’t be an issue for me. For people living in a town, city, or state that has little to no provisions for bicycles on a roadway, this would likely be an issue for them.
Blue-cheese-dressing t1_ivgbhcq wrote
Another reason: depending on your state DUI/DWI laws, if it’s XXcc or equivalent and has pedals you can use it for semi motorized transportation with a suspended license.
N3rdProbl3ms t1_ivgc4vw wrote
A lot of things are affordable if we do it ourselves.
Some people just prefer to leave it up to the professionals ::shrug::
General1lol t1_ivgd3ik wrote
The original mopeds had pedals; pedals were how they were used starting or were designed for emergency uses if the engine wouldn’t operate. The pedals weren’t added to circumvent motorized laws per say.
I imagine most laws pertaining to mopeds would still apply to this device; although it’s unclear since there’s no “cc” classification for it. In most city laws I’ve seen, explicit terminology covering e-bikes have been added to cover those devices.
Maybe I’m nitpicking, but the average person can certainly tell this is an “electric moped” and not an “e-bike”, so the laws would fall under the former. It might not be important at all, since in some cities e-bikes are treated identically to 49cc mopeds.
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1live4downvotes t1_ivgdru9 wrote
It may also be selection bias (or some other bias), but it also seems like a large percentage of e-bike/scooter users in my city just disregard the rules of the road. I don't think I have ever seen someone on an e-bike/scooter stop at a red light/stop sign and just do a lot of, for lack of a better term, stupid sh*t lol.
Like I said, this could just be some type of bias due to me remember annoying people more than others, but I think the e crowd has attracted a lot of inconsiderate people. I saw something similar happen with cyclists when COVID first happened. People who never road bikes in a city started getting bikes/renting them more but were riding them like they were the only ones on the road.
It is just sad because it gives the rest of the people a bad name. I cannot tell you how many people have screamed at me for being on a bike when I am doing everything correct. Had one dude scream at me at a red light for "cutting him off", despite looking, seeing I had room to change over to the left turn lane, signaling, and finally turning. I ended up yelling back at him "I SIGNALLED" and did the same signaling move I did before. He then calmed down and was like "oh shit you know what you're right, you did signal it just didn't register".
WeatherSufficient691 t1_ivgei17 wrote
Because it’s a moped— motor/peddle.
53881 t1_ivgelyr wrote
Lol phillys dirt bike gang on 95
minuteman_d t1_ivgftxg wrote
That would be kind of fun to have a “trail” version of this.
1live4downvotes t1_ivgfzzv wrote
whenever I'm biking and hear them approaching, I'll get off the road as fast as I can lol.
surnik22 t1_ivggaof wrote
I mean, I can only speak for my city/state confidently.
But if it has pedals and is electric it will be treated as an e-bike. It will have classifications based on top speed unassisted, but it can be an artificial limit.
Which to me is a huge benefit. Ebikes don’t have insurance, registration, or license requirements. And can be on bike lanes. The top speed of 25 mph isn’t ideal always, but in a city you rarely would be going faster and being able to use bike lanes and paths more than makes up for the speed reduction.
lmp9002002 t1_ivgh9sd wrote
Are there guides somewhere for this sort of thing? Was going to google but that sounds pretty specific. This sounds incredible compared to typical ebike prices.
pussyassniguh t1_ivghvvs wrote
What’s this build that you are talking about? 500$ seems way too little for that type of build
A10110101Z t1_ivgjkhm wrote
Can you hook it up with a link to a video or blog about building one?
Blapanda t1_ivgncos wrote
I will wait for hydrogen engines. Electric motors are way too costly and way to expensive, for the value they do deliver (range per charge). And their image of being pure green is bs.
Downvote me you dumbfs all you want, truth is, battery production in that manner and the size is no where near a green-mark. Hydrogen on the other hand will be more likely more energy efficient in producing it and won't grief nor exploit 3rd world countries for their resources. 🖕
Priff t1_ivgnpk5 wrote
Batteries are definitely cheaper now.
But also, you can scavenge a lot of the parts from stuff like broken electric scooters. They go for practically nothing on Facebook marketplace.
I'm considering buying a couple and putting the parts from them into a power wheels toy car. For the lulz.
ratsgill t1_ivgnubc wrote
It reminds me of those fake speculative renders people made of game consoles in the late 2000s lol
Buckwheat469 t1_ivgp757 wrote
There's the UBCO 2x2 but it seems to lose steam going on long uphill stretches. It might be because they only gave it a 1kW motor instead of a 3kW, and it only goes 30mph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oZN71eHVrs&feature=emb_imp_woyt
They need a 59mph version with a trail gear switch with a 3kW motor and a little more battery power.
WartyBalls4060 t1_ivgpfas wrote
Also not feasible for most of the population
darkfred t1_ivgpnpw wrote
So, 11 years later than when you could first import one from china for $1200?
Wanna place bets on range and cost, and how that compares to both current ebikes and commuter e-scooters available elsewhere for a decade?
This could be so great, if it comes in cheap with commuter range and a top speed of 55mph. Or it could be terrible.
minuteman_d t1_ivgpzjm wrote
Looks cool! Yeah, they'd have to get away from the hub motor for that.
Popomatik t1_ivgq47z wrote
With pedals it’s considered a moped, in my state it’s 50$ to register for 2 years and needs no insurance. Without pedals it’s considered a motorcycle and has to be registered and insured similar to a car.
spiderml t1_ivgqfvo wrote
Range would be hard to replicate given the new 125cc gets over 100mpg, would happily take everything else with a reasonable city range though.
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PlayfulParamedic2626 t1_ivgs1j9 wrote
Then by that definition, this is an ebike, with as much power as a 55cc motor.
illregal t1_ivgs95i wrote
It is, just the battery is close to or over 500
tossme68 t1_ivgs9id wrote
Very few people on bikes, e or otherwise pay attention to stop signs or traffic lights. I'm totally fine with treating stops signs as yields (like they do in the Netherlands) but stop lights are a different story. I've been biking in a city for 35+ years and spent some time as a bike messenger so I know how to ride in traffic and blowing through a light at 20+mph on your ebike is a quick way to go to the hospital.
I think we are reaching critical mass as far as e-vehicle regulation. Call them e-whatever they are still motorized vehicles and need to be treated as such, I love the idea of ebikes, they are a great alternative to a car and I will likely buy one in the next year or two but the execution has just been a free for all.
HahaFreeSpeech t1_ivgsq2e wrote
Sounds too specific to Google? Did you try something crazy like “Build Electric Bike” or “How to build an Electronic Bike”? It’s just so wacky that it might actually work.
LonelyGameBoi t1_ivgt4im wrote
Im pretty sure ebikes are optimized for pedaling occasionally assisted by a motor whereas mopeds are meant for motors occasionally assited by the pedals.
Not to mention that ebikes and mopeds have different gearing and form factors
Either way its I think its neat
tossme68 t1_ivgthqv wrote
>but in a city you rarely would be going faster
Have you been to NYC or Chicago in the last few years? Every food delivery guy is on an Ebike going as fast as they can in the bike lanes. Regulation is coming I just don't think the government knows how to handle ebike -hopefully they see the good in ebikes and don't do something ham handed but they likely will.
Idiot_Savant_Tinker t1_ivgtqvi wrote
I have a big brushless DC motor from an electric lawnmower that is begging to be put on something. I've got the controller figured out, but then I look online and see people building these battery packs by spot welding tons of cells together that they've taken out of discarded laptops or whatever, and I just lose motivation.
tossme68 t1_ivgtwin wrote
under 50cc's no license is needed. When I was a kid you could get a moped license at 14 -every kid between 14 and 16 had a 49cc moped.
tossme68 t1_ivgubgg wrote
>a decent regular bike is like at least 400- 500$
maybe if you are buying a huffy or some other punch out bike at Wal-mart but any name brand bike is much closer to $1000 than $500.
surnik22 t1_ivgv1kk wrote
I mean, those are literally the laws for Chicago.
That doesn’t mean people obey the laws. It’s like cars with speed limits, or trucks with weight limits, or noise limits on vehicles, or any other number of things that are regulated but not regularly enforced.
It’s hard to enforce a lot of regulations, including a speed limit on an electric bike. Especially when it can be sold as an electric bike where the limit is only digitally set and you can just turn the limiter on/off. But any sort of other regulation on motor size is gonna be equally silly. A motor that can go 30 mph for a 100 pound woman might only be able to go 20 mph with a 300 pound man carrying deliveries.
Priff t1_ivgv3vj wrote
You can take a battery pack from one of those kickbike scooters, they're usually 40v.
Another option is ordering a battery pack, lifepo packs come in loads of sizes with built in bms and everything pretty cheap.
Justthetip1996 t1_ivgwc62 wrote
🔥
Fair_Acanthisitta_75 t1_ivgyfph wrote
I wonder if Elon will invent one too.
1live4downvotes t1_ivgyjn2 wrote
> blowing through a light at 20+mph on your ebike is a quick way to go to the hospital.
Whenever people ask me how I ride in a city, I just tell them I have 3 rules.
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Wear a helmet
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Assume no one can see your, and if they can they are actively trying to hit you.
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BE PREDICTIBLE! This means stopping or at least yielding at stop signs/red lights. Biking with traffic (I cannot tell you how many idiots bike against traffic... even when there is a bike lane on the correct side of the street). Not salmoning through traffic (I know this is a thing a lot of people do, but I don't do it because no one is expecting a bike to zoom past them when waiting in a line of cars at a red light). etc. etc.
jcv999 t1_ivgyy8y wrote
If you have a soldering iron, and access to a 3d printer, you can build a battery :)
casechopper t1_ivgzxnb wrote
It would probably make more sense to compare with Honda motor scooters which I believe start around $3k and run to around $7-8k or so. Bicycles can get really expensive due to high spend on keeping weight extremely low. That isn't as necessary on a powered vehicle since the motor/engine compensates for the added weight.
OuidOuigi t1_ivh0v8t wrote
Johnny Nerd Out on YouTube is a start for understanding different types of motors and features.
OuidOuigi t1_ivh1jwj wrote
Cool so this 5hp is fine just don't pay attention to the 1000 ft pounds of torque.
AlphaTangoFoxtrt t1_ivh1w0i wrote
Need one hell of a gearbox on that
lmp9002002 t1_ivh4cgw wrote
How about "1500w 52v 21ah ebike that goes about 35mph with a range of 30-50miles in the realms of ~$500 if you already have a bike"? He was very specific so i thought it was worth asking.
You're not helping.
Far-Employment-1192 t1_ivh4lf8 wrote
I’d ride this 100%!
Far-Employment-1192 t1_ivh4w2k wrote
My area the local bicycle riders always run the red lights. They’ll keep going and a few times flip off drivers who were merely just going on a green light.
tossme68 t1_ivh6n6m wrote
totally. As I said I was a messenger way back when so I don't have a lot of love for people in cars, they don't like to share the road and don't take a lot of responsibility for driving a 4000lb piece of steel. Every messenger I knew had at least one bad wreck, I went through 2 windshields in my short career and neither was my fault -both drivers excuse was "they didn't see me"....when they drove into me. The thing is there are enough assholes to go around on both sides, but the guy on the bike is always going to lose. I do think part of the issue is that cops just ignore the guy on the bike unless he's being a complete ass and they are "clamping down" or "making an example" -they just need to enforce the law, if some bozo blows through a light write them a ticket, it's not hard. Both sides need to learn to respect the other side and both sides needs to take some more responsibility for their actions.
Awkwardhouse t1_ivh7fu2 wrote
Where is my Motocompo!?
RaydelRay t1_ivh7oe5 wrote
How well would 2 Dewalt 60v 6Ah work? $200 for 2 on sale.
PleasantAdvertising t1_ivh8m29 wrote
It's worth 4k now. Bought it for 2500. been driving it 5 times a week to work. Apart from replacing the battery it's just going.
Gradual_Bro t1_ivh9d2e wrote
If you’re smart enough to build a battery you can probably afford a battery lmao
FuckFashMods t1_ivh9rom wrote
>Twice as expensive as my 2010 car
Very few ebikes are going to be $5k-8k
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Blyatt-Man t1_ivhbyd0 wrote
Look at the Emmo monster. That’s what I use for Uber eats. Looks exactly like the Honda ruckus I have an 84v 50 AH battery for it, top speed 55kmh range over 100km paid about 8k for it but it’s paying itself off doing gas free deliveries.
IdiAmeme t1_ivhcas4 wrote
Are you nuts? People ride regular bikes at 20 mph plus all the time.
Haterbait_band t1_ivhcrbh wrote
As far as I know, all mopeds have pedals. It’s what makes them a moped. People confuse motor scooters with mopeds all the time though.
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Idiot_Savant_Tinker t1_ivhenir wrote
That's perfect, I can just parallel a few of those together and I'm good to go.
Idiot_Savant_Tinker t1_ivhespj wrote
Where I live there's some company like bird or lime that has a bunch of scooters. Sometimes I see them broken and thrown in the ditch, maybe they have a battery I can use...
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4RealzReddit t1_ivhhi3f wrote
Mono meaning one and rail meaning rail.
Phalanx_1157 t1_ivhlorh wrote
As a cyclist let me just to ahead and say I hate you.
derycksan71 t1_ivhmjbt wrote
With 130ish mpg, what's the point besides noise? Love my trail 125 and my old ct's but I don't see the value, especially considering it'll likely double the cost.
nirad t1_ivhnhcl wrote
it was kind of a joke, because it has really gotten ridiculous without any regulation on the matter. if you add pedals to a Harley, can it use the bike lane?
markydsade t1_ivhsohx wrote
Take My Money!
zippyzoodles t1_ivhv00r wrote
He was a scooter boy. He said see you later boy.
MattVanAndel t1_ivhv147 wrote
You know what else Honda should do?
Valkyrie Rune Electric
PineappleLemur t1_ivhxd0n wrote
I can't see this for anything less than 5k initially.
Ihatu t1_ivhxjdr wrote
Literally says it in the headline: moped. It is a motorized pedal vehicle.
smatchimo t1_ivhyqlr wrote
the only thing this does is make riding bike paths illegal. you don't want to be pedaling an e-bike with no assist.
HahaFreeSpeech t1_ivi0cvq wrote
Cool, maybe the guy below will build it for you too, because if you can’t even Google to find the Information, I doubt you’re qualified to build it.
EMH-TheDoctor t1_ivi239t wrote
I cannot wait!!!
mayonaise_plantain t1_ivi5ir0 wrote
It is if you just buy an already road-legal gas scooter and convert it.
Most older 2-cycle mopeds/scooters can be found non-running for like $150, and they'll come with the registration, hi/low beams, horn, etc.
From there, you just gotta be sure your conversion isn't getting too wild since most states now have a provision that states a maximum motor wattage for a scooter to still be a scooter (usually around 1200 watts).
The downside is the effort for the conversion - it's def more involved than a bicycle. And you gotta insure, plate, and register it (very cheap, but still...)
The upside is that you get a legit, road legal e-scooter and for some reason a scooter in traffic going 30 mph is just way more respected than a bicycle going the same speed. It sure "looks the part" if nothing else.
_Rand_ t1_ivi5jbv wrote
There is a guy around here who drives a ICE bike around, its pretty neat actually.
There is also a kid who drives an electric lawn chair around.
sonofgildorluthien t1_ivi80cj wrote
Those are really nice liquor cycles. Is there a option to attach a milk crate on the back?
1dumbmonkey t1_ivi8owu wrote
India this probably be popular
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F-21 t1_iviakvt wrote
Especially the CT is more of an "adventure" design. It makes some sense in the city but if you're in a more remote area... The ultra efficient and reliable Honda engine is optimised to the point that I'm not sure the electric version is more green or cheaper to run at all.
I wish they sold the trail 125 over here in Europe :(
TSMKFail t1_ivibmsg wrote
A battery that would make the Note7 look like the pinnacle of safety
PlayfulParamedic2626 t1_ivibqeg wrote
$4,000-6,000 more likely
zkareface t1_ivig45y wrote
So like $5k and up?
jcv999 t1_ivigbyz wrote
Built it and rode it around just fine :)
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zkareface t1_ivigmah wrote
Did you miss the last decade of e-bikes, e-mopeds etc?
Places regulate by how many W the engine can produce and top speeds.
Here the limit is 1000W and 25/45km/h.
FavoritesBot t1_iviho2i wrote
Sure but enforcement on that is going to be nonexistent. If you aren’t speeding they can’t know just from looking that it’s capable of going faster (eg when you take it to the track)
That said I’m a pussy and wouldn’t want to go faster than 35 on an ebike anyway
hexahedron17 t1_ivilv9f wrote
Dear honda:
Please make a successor to the motocompo pleasepleasepleaseplease
w2tpmf t1_ivimfql wrote
Replace Helix with Ruckus and I agree with this whole statement.
PossiblyAsian t1_ivimrdf wrote
Because then it can be classed as an ebike.
PossiblyAsian t1_ivimuj9 wrote
This already exists.
The real shit is if its reliable since its now coming from a major manufacturer
unpaid_overtime t1_ivinptv wrote
Compromise? Bring back Big Rukus?
Ok-Professional5579 t1_ivio1oq wrote
Teslas are ugly as hell
browtfareyoudoing t1_iviopjs wrote
Don’t mind if I do
finedrive t1_ivioy00 wrote
Compared to what? A Prius?
F-21 t1_ivip49g wrote
> 2 stroke engines are dirty AF
The CT125 is 4 stroke and the ultra-efficient engine is rated to 158MPG, with over 120-130MPG actually achievable.
It quite literally runs on fumes.
HotOnions t1_iviqppt wrote
I’d be interested in something like this, anything to look for in searching for it?
racinreaver t1_ivird8g wrote
Everything is 100% safe until it isn't. For a lot of us the risk of a battery fire from a self-assembled system isn't worth the nonpayment of a homeowner's insurance claim (or, honestly, even worse, damaging a rental, apartment building, or employer's property).
Cat_Sand_Milkshake t1_ivit3jh wrote
The electric Cub. I’m all in.
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i7-4790Que t1_ivizsyl wrote
Can get 180Wh worth of Dewalt batteries (+ charger) for under $100 right now at Home Depot with Holiday promos. The 6 Ah XR in that bundle would have a far superior Samsung 30T 21700. 10 per pack. 5S2P config.
There's also value in utility. Especially if you are invested into a decent power tool platform. (Milwaukee, Dewalt, Makita) Your money goes further if you have a bunch of devices that can share the same battery. I run as much stuff as I can off 5.0 Ah Makita packs I basically paid no more than $7/Ah on. (Buy sales, batteries get super cheap)
Wouldn't exactly call used Eve cells that you might have to rebuild sooner rather than later a good value long term. They have a paltry 7.65A rated cell with comparatively low capacity, probably closer to 2-2.2 Ah since its a refurb/used 18650 from a 3rd rate manufacturer.
Samsung 30Ts blow that Eve crap out of the water. 35A cell, up to 70A @ 18V in 5S2P.
Moto_Glitch t1_ivj1dlg wrote
Electric cub, I love it.
jibstay77 t1_ivj66me wrote
I’ve been building my own roads for years.
lifeofideas t1_ivj7stq wrote
In Japan it is very common to have bicycles with electric motor assistance. The motors are surprisingly powerful and make climbing hills easy. You can also maintain speeds like 15-20 mph. I think I got maybe as much as 6 hours use out of one charge.
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Parlorshark t1_ivjnd4n wrote
Yes, that’s correct. I have a family and a job and a house, and 0 time or interest left for tinkering on a bicycle. My time is more valuable to me.
N3rdProbl3ms t1_ivjp1n1 wrote
Exactly. It makes me think of those 3 min craft montages of "look what you can make without having to go to the store and buying it! Sooo easy!".
Nah. I'm ordering it for in-store pickup, swooping it, and calling it a day
Sacred-Squash t1_ivjqlzd wrote
They look like bike tires. 1-3K
F-21 t1_ivka717 wrote
The article you listed is nearly 20 years old and was no longer relevant that same year it was written because Euro 3 emission standards came in 2006 for motorcycle. Motorcycles sold today have to emmit 5-6 times less CO than Euro 2 motorcycles that were modern when that article was written (not to mention other pollutants or bikes that were slightly old at the time, or 25 years old, as the article talks about, so bikes that are by now nearly half a century old).
I don't think any motorcycle sold in first world countries can legally not have a catalytic converter. Every scooter here in Europe has it.
sentientlob0029 t1_ivklq41 wrote
Would be fun to see the reports of how many were knocked off road due to cars not hearing them coming lol.
zkareface t1_ivlvbmu wrote
I'd be surprised if its cheaper than $4999.
Honestly probably going to be $6999 in my area.
$1000 gives an ebike that breaks down first year.
Honda is known for quality, not being cheap.
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tizzputt t1_iwmwky6 wrote
Downvoting on the simpsons reference? Why??
4RealzReddit t1_iwmy6g4 wrote
No clue but it's one of my favourites.
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