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foxhelp t1_j0veq0f wrote

Reply to comment by SerialChilIer in ChatGPT allows this AI typewriter to talk to you by ChickenTeriyakiBoy1

Apparently chatgtp isn't very original when you give it the similar essay prompts, so the high school principal I talked to said you basically just go plug it in and see what it generates and compare the output.

Add on differences in grammar, word choice, perfect spelling and it becomes pretty obvious something doesn't align within the same semester. I guess the problem starts arising when the student uses chatgtp for all their submissions in a new semester the differences aren't as obvious.

There is also services that are springing up to determine if an essay is machine generated.

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EstablishmentShoddy1 t1_j0vnt8l wrote

fair but you can still paraphrase chatgpt and your fine. Half the time essays are hard to due to writer’s block

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andrenikous t1_j0vtefw wrote

"Just make sure you change some of the words and move stuff around so it doesn't look like you copied me."

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gender_nihilism t1_j0vtn6n wrote

then you're just using a tool. honestly, what's the problem? if you review it, edit it, and expand on it while verifying it, you've saved yourself a lot of grunt work while still doing everything actually important: the actual thinking. I use it for scenes in stories I write. I take the output, rewrite it as if I were editing my own writing, et voilà, free writer's block clearance.

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checker280 t1_j0vykkv wrote

It was always less how much you remembered and recalled, and more knowing where to look for the info and what info to look for.

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foxhelp t1_j0w1czd wrote

Curious as a writer what you thought about the guy that made the kids book using AI?

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/chrisstokelwalker/tech-worker-ai-childrens-book-angers-illustrators

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gender_nihilism t1_j0w89fu wrote

not the same. using an ai image generator is different because you're not deriving your work from the output, but rather just publishing the output. I'm not making a judgement here, except that they're emphatically not the same thing.

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abraxasisall t1_j0vubxc wrote

This is going to be what I find impossible to prevent; paraphrasing it and rewriting it slightly in your own words. I suppose one way to check it would be to have another program input a bunch of prompts and compare the original essay for likeness, in the same way that there are programs already that scour scholarly works on the web and compare for likeness; except this time it’s testing AI outputs.

Now if only it could write mathematical proofs for me..

Edit: it can fucking write proofs

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EstablishmentShoddy1 t1_j0w2cen wrote

Yeah I heard the AI isn't really sophisticated for math

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abraxasisall t1_j1180fo wrote

They’re wrong, it can write proofs perfectly. I think it has limited characters (ASCII) available to express certain concepts however; if it could freely use laTex I think it would be able to accomplish exactly what we’re discussing.

I asked it to prove all kinds of math problems ranging from simple (using mathematical induction, direct proof, contradiction to prove things) to complex (prove certain functions f: Z -> Z are injective, surjective, or bijective (both), prove that the cardinality of Z, set of all integers, is less than R, set of all real numbers) and in the cases I tried, the proofs were sufficient. Remarkable.

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ApatheticWithoutTheA t1_j0vuvuz wrote

It’s very dependent on how much you interact with it.

If two people give it a similar prompt, yeah, you’ll probably get a similar answer. But the more you talk to it and it direct it, it can become very tough to tell.

You can even paste in another paper you have written and have it copy your writing style.

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foxhelp t1_j0w136n wrote

Which I think is a distinction of "very low effort cheaters" getting caught verses the "moderate effort cheaters"

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adrolter t1_j0x92pj wrote

Still miles easier than actually doing the assignment, and will only become more so.

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foxhelp t1_j0xs3ag wrote

I think that is where the other comment comes in that education needs to change / improve. Cause if you can google the answer, (or just ask chatgtp) does it make sense to be asking the question anymore as a form of evaluation?

my other comment goes as follows:

"The high school principal I talked with said it is actually a good thing this came about, as it is forcing them to rethink:

  • what kind of questions they ask in class/essays
  • evaluation methods that have largely been static
  • learning outcomes"
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VansAndOtherMusings t1_j0wbxah wrote

In addition to the essays which I trialed and got a great passing score. You can manipulate it into incorporating academic sources and real world use cases. Yes of course you still need to read it edit, add nuance but the more you interact the more personal it gets and the line between chatGPT and Grammarly is blurred to all hell.

You can even paste your resume and have it write you a cover letter based on facts from your résumé incorporating the following job description: (pasted here)

And it works magnificent. Again still need to edit and clean up but it gets the majority of things right.

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ApatheticWithoutTheA t1_j0wcrml wrote

Since I’ve been looking for a new dev job I’ve probably had it write me 20 cover letters in the last week lol.

I just paste in the job description, paste in my resume points. And boom, customized cover letter that is better than anything I could write. This thing is amazing for that. It’s pretty much made cover letters a non issue at this point.

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VansAndOtherMusings t1_j0wd87j wrote

Oh yeah 100% I even use it to answer the other silly questions of why are you excited to work here or what about our mission excites you and as long as that organization has been around before 2021 it answers all of those questions.

I think the true key is using the chatgpt api in some way to make some money. Even if it’s not life changing money just something.

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Whaines t1_j0xnkur wrote

And an AI is reading them too!

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ApatheticWithoutTheA t1_j0xool7 wrote

Which reminds me that I filled out about 15 applications only to find out that my new resume wasn’t being parsed correctly by one of the major ATS software products API (Lever).

I probably wasted 8 hours of my life on those only to find out that the parser was putting everything in the wrong spots.

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qyloo t1_j0wvul3 wrote

Until you train a neural net on your own writing

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3_layers_deep t1_j0x9qh1 wrote

You just need to change the prompt a bit.

Also, the tech will improve. Yeah, you might beat today's chatgtp, but its improving fast.

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legitSTINKYPINKY t1_j0wk2g3 wrote

Have you used it? It doesn’t spit out the same things. Especially if you tweak it or tell it to change it completely.

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DimiBlue t1_j0wureu wrote

The obvious way to fight this would be to legitimately research, input that data. If you have any uniqueness in your sources you'd get a unique output.

Or hell, just use it as an editor.

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