PolyZex t1_j17wur9 wrote
Reply to comment by psychoticworm in ASUS's Noctua Edition GeForce RTX 40 Series Graphics Cards To Launch At CES 2023 by Avieshek
Scalpers lost a shit ton of money trying to scalp 4080's. I think they might sit this one out.
Avieshek OP t1_j17x5kl wrote
Shit made them sit this time.
smp208 t1_j18kgdz wrote
How is that possible? Even if they buy at MSRP I’d assume that at worst they could sell at MSRP and more or less break even. Not enough people willing to buy?
ChronWeasely t1_j18pava wrote
Yeah. It's literally in-stock at many places. Buy it from them with a warrantee, fast shipping, etc. Instead of a scalper if you want to put your $$$ on the bad value proposition that is the 4080
dimitriye98 t1_j19imar wrote
Scalpers are often leveraged. They'll use credit cards and other lines of credit to provide more operating capital. If they sit on it, those lines of credit remain heavily loaded, and A) they have to pay interest B) they have less capital to scalp other things. It's makes more sense for them to liquidate a losing investment than to keep losing money on it
NaN-Gram t1_j194f65 wrote
Supply is in better conditions than you think. In any case, 30 series cards are both in stock AND getting marked down. For what it’s worth, people who’ve been waiting this long are likely to hold out for a while longer.
smp208 t1_j19aat1 wrote
Got it. Makes sense.
speedypotatoo t1_j19hdzl wrote
No refund policies and no body going to buy a card without warranty
IAm-The-Lawn t1_j19od9h wrote
Combination of a lot of factors. There was pent up demand for the 30 series over the course of the past two years, and so lots of folks bought the 30s cards when the prices finally came down and supply improved. That is having an adverse impact on demand for the 40 series.
Additionally, the 40 series cards are significantly more expensive than the previous generation, so scalpers have a much smaller profit margin. Contrary to some beliefs, there is a maximum amount of money that 85% of individual consumers will spend on each card in the 40 series (we just don’t know what that amount is).
Finally, supply is pretty decent for the 40 series. Some retailers learned from the 30 series debacles with bots and scalping, so buying up all existing stock is not an option for scalpers. At best, they can only buy the majority of stock if they are so inclined.
Also worth noting that in some respects, supply chain logistics are recovering as well.
fatalrip t1_j1aelmh wrote
I sell stuff on eBay. You lose roughly 17% to fees etc.
SteakandTrach t1_j19d0ru wrote
NVidia:
"Look at me."
"Look at me."
"I am the scalper now."
DavePastry t1_j19z5p6 wrote
they are not sitting this one out, I've been trying to score a 4090 for months and it's just as difficult as it was back during the first great desperation.
PolyZex t1_j1a5vll wrote
You can buy a 4090 right now from Walmart, Amazon, Tiger Direct, Helium Miners, New Egg... in stock, ships today if you order in the next couple hours.
Where are you running into problems?
DavePastry t1_j1a64of wrote
I should clarify, for MSRP.
PolyZex t1_j1aabjz wrote
tiger direct and new egg seem to be selling the 4090 for $98 over MSRP. It's not ideal but it's not to the level of scalpers marking them up $600+
I got my 3080 at Best Buy about a year or so ago, just got lucky- they were on the shelf.
DavePastry t1_j1aok2d wrote
tiger direct doesn't have any 4090's in stock and of the ones in stock at newegg the cheapest one is 2100ish dollars unless I'm missing something?
PolyZex t1_j1b2b8d wrote
DavePastry t1_j1b2viq wrote
I super appreciate you lookin' out for me! unfortunately that website appears to be a scam :(
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PolyZex t1_j1b3efu wrote
Damn, sorry to send you in the wrong direction there. Wait until after the holidays... and maybe tax return season.
They were in stock not but a month ago. I got an e-mail from New Egg that had Zotac and 2 other 4090's with a huge heading that said "4090's back in stock".
I suspect the disruption will square itself out when we all go back to our seasonal depression in February.
ZexMarquies01 t1_j1ywwiy wrote
lol, they were never "IN-STOCK". At least, not the way you think. They were in-stock for about 1 minute, at best.
Did those E-mails happen to tell you how MANY those site had in-stock? Having 1 or 1,000 both qualify as in-stock.
I had to follow a YT channel and Discord server that are made specifically to scrape most large retailers for in-stock 4090's. Every time one comes in stock, It goes out of stock within seconds. And whenever a site got any in-stock, It was only ever in small batches, And they'd space out the sale of them too. If they got 20 cards in, They'd sell 5 at a time, and drop each set of 5 like 10 - 20 minutes apart.
ZexMarquies01 t1_j1yw72z wrote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Giub2JmpXhA
Go there, turn on volume. They alert you with audio, then post a link in the chat whenever a product they are watching comes instock.
Also, if you join their discord server, http://restockwatch.com/discord and Then scroll down to the 4090 channel, They are usually a few seconds faster at posting the link in Discord, as the YT video is about 30 seconds behind.
I was only on the YT channel and Discord for 2 days, before I got myself a Zotac 4090. It wasn't my preferred card, but it is a 4090.
EDIT: I should say, I got lucky. There are people that were sitting in the YT chat for weeks, trying to get a card. But they didn't use the discord channel, so I suspect that's why they could never get a card to go through the cart. So me getting a card in 2 days seems to be a bit of a rare / lucky case. OH and FYI, if you try this, Make sure you are already logged into the sites ( Amazon, Newegg, BestBuy etc..) and have your address and payment info already stored in their store. If you have to log-in whenever you try to buy one, or have to enter your CC info...you will NEVER get one.
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