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sylfy t1_j19rtms wrote
Nvidia squeezes the AIBs on margins. They restrict the MSRP range that AIBs can sell at, which limits the quality and engineering work that AIBs can put into their cards. The AIBs get a pretty slim profit after accounting for the cost of the GPU dies to them, plus Nvidia’s profit margin on the die, which Nvidia doesn’t incur on their own FE cards.
This, as well as a whole bunch of other reasons, is a big factor in why AIBs have been unhappy with Nvidia, and why EVGA decided to quit its GPU business. Gamers Nexus did a bunch of comprehensive interviews, and it’s well worth a watch.
garry4321 t1_j194f30 wrote
They sell them because there are no other options, and the companies want to make as much cash as possible.
PhysicsMan12 t1_j1au50p wrote
AIBs have basically no margin and are absolutely taken advantage of by Nvidia. They are just trying to survive at this point. RE: EVGA saga
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schrodingers_cat314 t1_j1m4bi0 wrote
Is there any reason not to buy an FE?
I’m mad in Europe because they are notoriously hard to get with decent RMA.
I use an open case and I swear all the AIB cards look like dogshit. Sure if you just put it in a case where it’s not too visible it’s totally fine.
Most PC components today look fine in comparison but GPUs are still an eyesore. The better looking ones are usually the budget stuff. Even Noctua brown is at least consistent and can look good in the right environment.
Add to this the fact that FEs are a lot more compact and it’s not even a contest. They just have a much more efficient cooler design.
I know margins are crap but that’s no excuse for the aesthetics.
aahaaahaaaaahaaahaa t1_j17xtmn wrote
Classy Noctua brown 🤤
ThisFreakinGuyHere t1_j195dws wrote
Someone high up at Noctua is still getting a laugh out of how they made their wind-generating gizmos look like a butthole
bengringo2 t1_j1ammvc wrote
Those Austrians will make a butthole out of anything.
twigboy t1_j1bk7vt wrote
Butthole brown is an acquired taste
yaykaboom t1_j1900gp wrote
🤮
ThatsWhatPutinWants t1_j19waxm wrote
Noctua for life. I shopvac mines and its like brand new. I even swapped some of their cpu over to use as case fans and they are flawless.
most-real-struggle t1_j1a4mx2 wrote
As a reminder it’s always a good idea to unplug a fan before spinning it really fast
theREALel_steev t1_j1bztx2 wrote
Careful with those mines dude
Tickle_Nuggets t1_j18yiab wrote
I truly wish they'd use more than just brown. I heard they have the absolute best CPU coolers but it's like well if I buy one it's gonna throw my whole system off..
ASTROladdd t1_j193s8p wrote
They literally do have black and grey versions. There’s zero chance you actually looked at the brands offerings.
Tickle_Nuggets t1_j198eay wrote
Sorry I'll go check out their actual website then because the only ones I see on New Egg are the brown ones. I'd definitely buy from them if they had a black one
batmanscreditcard t1_j19lch6 wrote
Look into their Chromax black line. I have an NH-D15 Chromax black and it’s fantastic.
SpiritJuice t1_j1a8vjw wrote
Not sure if it's the same model, but when my radiator fans needed to be replaced, I picked up some black fans from Noctua and absolutely love how quiet they are in comparison. Next build I do may just have all Noctua fans to reduce noise, RGB be damned.
Jefc141 t1_j19x377 wrote
Don’t think he claimed to lol
rkhbusa t1_j1earwz wrote
Noctua isn’t alone in the premium performance fan department anymore. Phanteks t30 and the new be quiet silent wings.
Personally I like the phanteks t30 they sport a slightly wider blade than traditional 120mm fans, so they’re already cheating the competition a little but at the end of the day they push more air but with their design they might not fit every application particularly in some cpu coolers where you might have a fan sandwiched in between two radiators. The fans themselves are of a much tighter tolerance than you’ll find in just about any ABS fan, glass fibre reinforced material is very recognizable across all three of the aforementioned manufacturers in their premium line and it has less play than ABS which you might find in an RGB fan. Both phanteks and be quiet have 3000rpm models a feature which is obtrusively loud to use but a nice to have just in case you ever repurpose your fans for anything else like making your own little server room or a drying cabinet, while the ceiling of 3000rpm is completely impractical for daily use I find my t30’s do hit a nice balance at 1800-2000rpm in my closed case with noise comparable to my old Corsair fans clapped out at 1400rpm while also pushing more air even if the rpm’s were even.
psychoticworm t1_j17supf wrote
And nobody will be able to buy them because scalpers and bots!
PolyZex t1_j17wur9 wrote
Scalpers lost a shit ton of money trying to scalp 4080's. I think they might sit this one out.
Avieshek OP t1_j17x5kl wrote
Shit made them sit this time.
smp208 t1_j18kgdz wrote
How is that possible? Even if they buy at MSRP I’d assume that at worst they could sell at MSRP and more or less break even. Not enough people willing to buy?
ChronWeasely t1_j18pava wrote
Yeah. It's literally in-stock at many places. Buy it from them with a warrantee, fast shipping, etc. Instead of a scalper if you want to put your $$$ on the bad value proposition that is the 4080
dimitriye98 t1_j19imar wrote
Scalpers are often leveraged. They'll use credit cards and other lines of credit to provide more operating capital. If they sit on it, those lines of credit remain heavily loaded, and A) they have to pay interest B) they have less capital to scalp other things. It's makes more sense for them to liquidate a losing investment than to keep losing money on it
NaN-Gram t1_j194f65 wrote
Supply is in better conditions than you think. In any case, 30 series cards are both in stock AND getting marked down. For what it’s worth, people who’ve been waiting this long are likely to hold out for a while longer.
smp208 t1_j19aat1 wrote
Got it. Makes sense.
speedypotatoo t1_j19hdzl wrote
No refund policies and no body going to buy a card without warranty
IAm-The-Lawn t1_j19od9h wrote
Combination of a lot of factors. There was pent up demand for the 30 series over the course of the past two years, and so lots of folks bought the 30s cards when the prices finally came down and supply improved. That is having an adverse impact on demand for the 40 series.
Additionally, the 40 series cards are significantly more expensive than the previous generation, so scalpers have a much smaller profit margin. Contrary to some beliefs, there is a maximum amount of money that 85% of individual consumers will spend on each card in the 40 series (we just don’t know what that amount is).
Finally, supply is pretty decent for the 40 series. Some retailers learned from the 30 series debacles with bots and scalping, so buying up all existing stock is not an option for scalpers. At best, they can only buy the majority of stock if they are so inclined.
Also worth noting that in some respects, supply chain logistics are recovering as well.
fatalrip t1_j1aelmh wrote
I sell stuff on eBay. You lose roughly 17% to fees etc.
SteakandTrach t1_j19d0ru wrote
NVidia:
"Look at me."
"Look at me."
"I am the scalper now."
DavePastry t1_j19z5p6 wrote
they are not sitting this one out, I've been trying to score a 4090 for months and it's just as difficult as it was back during the first great desperation.
PolyZex t1_j1a5vll wrote
You can buy a 4090 right now from Walmart, Amazon, Tiger Direct, Helium Miners, New Egg... in stock, ships today if you order in the next couple hours.
Where are you running into problems?
DavePastry t1_j1a64of wrote
I should clarify, for MSRP.
PolyZex t1_j1aabjz wrote
tiger direct and new egg seem to be selling the 4090 for $98 over MSRP. It's not ideal but it's not to the level of scalpers marking them up $600+
I got my 3080 at Best Buy about a year or so ago, just got lucky- they were on the shelf.
DavePastry t1_j1aok2d wrote
tiger direct doesn't have any 4090's in stock and of the ones in stock at newegg the cheapest one is 2100ish dollars unless I'm missing something?
PolyZex t1_j1b2b8d wrote
DavePastry t1_j1b2viq wrote
I super appreciate you lookin' out for me! unfortunately that website appears to be a scam :(
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PolyZex t1_j1b3efu wrote
Damn, sorry to send you in the wrong direction there. Wait until after the holidays... and maybe tax return season.
They were in stock not but a month ago. I got an e-mail from New Egg that had Zotac and 2 other 4090's with a huge heading that said "4090's back in stock".
I suspect the disruption will square itself out when we all go back to our seasonal depression in February.
ZexMarquies01 t1_j1ywwiy wrote
lol, they were never "IN-STOCK". At least, not the way you think. They were in-stock for about 1 minute, at best.
Did those E-mails happen to tell you how MANY those site had in-stock? Having 1 or 1,000 both qualify as in-stock.
I had to follow a YT channel and Discord server that are made specifically to scrape most large retailers for in-stock 4090's. Every time one comes in stock, It goes out of stock within seconds. And whenever a site got any in-stock, It was only ever in small batches, And they'd space out the sale of them too. If they got 20 cards in, They'd sell 5 at a time, and drop each set of 5 like 10 - 20 minutes apart.
ZexMarquies01 t1_j1yw72z wrote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Giub2JmpXhA
Go there, turn on volume. They alert you with audio, then post a link in the chat whenever a product they are watching comes instock.
Also, if you join their discord server, http://restockwatch.com/discord and Then scroll down to the 4090 channel, They are usually a few seconds faster at posting the link in Discord, as the YT video is about 30 seconds behind.
I was only on the YT channel and Discord for 2 days, before I got myself a Zotac 4090. It wasn't my preferred card, but it is a 4090.
EDIT: I should say, I got lucky. There are people that were sitting in the YT chat for weeks, trying to get a card. But they didn't use the discord channel, so I suspect that's why they could never get a card to go through the cart. So me getting a card in 2 days seems to be a bit of a rare / lucky case. OH and FYI, if you try this, Make sure you are already logged into the sites ( Amazon, Newegg, BestBuy etc..) and have your address and payment info already stored in their store. If you have to log-in whenever you try to buy one, or have to enter your CC info...you will NEVER get one.
Avieshek OP t1_j17t592 wrote
I think that phase has subsided with the 40-series now going by the recent news or especially with a 4080.
TheNameles1 t1_j182uej wrote
40series cards are on stock everywhere right now at this moment…
worldChangerRR t1_j17x43r wrote
In some parts of the world, 4090s and 4080s were easily accessible after launch.
lordytoo t1_j17yv11 wrote
No ones scalping shit now that eth has gone pos. Dont worry. Buy your overheating gpu
Kaedekins t1_j190dqm wrote
MSRP for the 4080 reference alone sits at $1,199 USD. I'm not about to refinance my assets for a damn video card. These prices are getting ridiculous.
Avieshek OP t1_j197e4k wrote
With a DOA DisplayPort~
capptan t1_j18zmy9 wrote
Feels like the 4090 version is the only one worth a damn but the price point is for only a few. If ASUS did a 4070 we go something....
garry4321 t1_j1958gk wrote
So i am going to have to run a gas powered generator just to use this thing eh?
DarkKitarist t1_j18c4xt wrote
And the price will be 4090€...
Rahiya t1_j185uk2 wrote
Prices starting at 2’899
Jeruk_ t1_j18i2kt wrote
They’re only going to make like 30 of them. Will be virtually impossible to get and scalped ones will be going for well over 3 grand.
ispeakdatruf t1_j19swfn wrote
I need cards with more memory! 8GB alone doesn't cut it. For Deep Learning, we need cards with as much memory as they can fit in at a reasonable price.
WaycoKid1129 t1_j1abzdq wrote
Nvidia living like 5 years in the future. They want everyone to be on the same page as them but I’m still waiting for the 3000 series to be reasonable
dayytripper t1_j18p01d wrote
They should make a 7900 version as well.
LordMoos3 t1_j19cbhc wrote
I'd buy a Noctua 7900xtx
savage_slurpie t1_j18v1k8 wrote
They don’t make it with the black fans?
EnolaGayFallout t1_j1asdi0 wrote
Lol what’s the point?
The heatsink is overkill.
_baundiesel_ t1_j1b759v wrote
I'm going to struggle to buy another GPU with EVGA out of the game. The only cards I could stand aesthetically.
zhadyx t1_j1b5anj wrote
I thought asus cut ties with nvidia
Tallerhalf t1_j1bdz9w wrote
Are these guys still supplying the Russians?
Naughtyhusband8811 t1_j17teoh wrote
16-Pin 12VHPWR connector ? I think I'll pass.
FAFoxxy t1_j183tek wrote
Now I regret buying a 4090 at launch
ip2k t1_j180e12 wrote
“We finally made something with better fans than a FE” no idea how OEMs keep selling reference boards with garbage plastic shields and awful fans. I wish I could just buy the card and HS separately like with CPUs.