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Banea-Vaedr t1_j1d7xmf wrote

MSP really ain't doing too hot these days, huh?

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detective_bigfoot t1_j1d7zam wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,021,425)

The Faustian bargain that the white landed class struck with police is that the cops protect their property from anyone too dark, and the white people look the other way and allow the cops to be the worst people in our society.

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detective_bigfoot t1_j1dayas wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,021,603)

All Cops are Bad/Bastards depending on how decisive you want to be. You don’t need to look very hard to find out that every single police officer in this country, including your family friend or whoever, has either grossly abused their authority or looked the other way when a colleague did. Police kill more people every year than any other demographic, they steal from poor people, harass the unfortunate, rape with near impunity, and act like infants when we so much as suggest they tone it down.

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BlaineTog t1_j1dlvqc wrote

Replying to detective_bigfoot (#1,021,780)

ACAB doesn't mean that literally everyone with a badge right now is a bastard. There are good cops... temporarily. What ACAB means is that every good cop will eventually either become a bad cop or they'll get drummed out of the force.

Notably, a cop who doesn't personally abuse their power but does allow other cops to abuse theirs is still a bad cop. I can easily imagine a new recruit joining up to try to change the system from inside, only to get relentlessly bullied and screwed over because they don't let it slide when their coworkers do evil shit. Nobody can maintain that position forever, both because it's difficult to have that much moral conviction and also because the other cops will eventually force them out.

ACAB throws a lot of people because they think the bar is literally, "shooting unarmed Black men for sport, or extorting sex from teenagers during traffic stops." They can't imagine their Uncle Fred doing either of those things, not when Uncle Fed is such a nice guy to them, plus Fred may be Black himself. But they don't think about that time Uncle Fred gave his cop buddy Sergeant Sam an alibi for that hassle he got into last year over an unfortunate traffic stop that escalated into a foot chase, or the other time Uncle Fred, "lost," some paperwork that would have implicated his other buddy Officer Jess in something that was totally just a misunderstanding, you see. They don't realize that those are the sorts of things that allow systemic abuse to rampage freely for decades, making Fred just as culpable as Sam and Jess and all the other bastards he helped continue their bastardry. Fred's a bastard too, even if he's never murdered or raped anyone himself.

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LitherLily t1_j1dmpea wrote

Again? Same guy or new police captain to do this?

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waffles2go2 t1_j1dqk2l wrote

Replying to BlaineTog (#1,022,984)

>Notably, a cop who doesn't personally abuse their power but does allow other cops to abuse theirs is still a bad cop

I think this is a trope now - there is a real push for reform and while I believe the system needs an overhaul, I do believe that progress is being made and new recruits are not "constantly looking the other way"...

Said anther way, if you don't see change then you are not fucking paying attention. A lot of this change is forced (body cameras) but is it making a change? Yes...

While I don't mind people throwing around ACAB - if you really believe it is more than a slogan than you too are part of the problem...

EDIT: If you actually, literally think ACAB than you're a <28 year old male or carry some type of deep trauma that blinds you to the good side of people (and basic logic).

ACAB is just a slogan, if you take it seriously you're both damaged and part of the problem. Domestic violence, gang violence, missing and exploited children are all stuff they have to deal with and if think that cops that work those cases are "bastards" than you lack most of the skills you critique cops for...

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detective_bigfoot t1_j1dtdr5 wrote

Replying to BlaineTog (#1,022,984)

Cops exist to violently enforce class relations. Even the cops that don’t “look the other way.” Will still brutalize civil rights protesters if they’re ordered to, or incarcerate women seeking medical care. ACAB, absolutely no exceptions.

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[deleted] OP t1_j1dtwhi wrote

Replying to LitherLily (#1,023,076)

Same! Same former officer arrested in 2021 but just now formally indicted.They wanted there ducks in a row before going to court ,plus feds in involved so that slows things.

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spg1611 t1_j1du6pj wrote

Replying to Murky_side_ (#1,022,988)

Says the guy who has obviously never had a need to and the second he does will forget every Reddit comment he ever typed and call them then say “well that’s their job”

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Maronita2020 t1_j1dxbx5 wrote

Replying to BlaineTog (#1,022,984)

I think the cop is more horrible if he belongs to the group of systemic abuse and allows things to get by that people who don't belong to the minority group does, because the minority officer is allowing systemic abuse of his own kind (and other minority groups) which is even more reprehensible imho.

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BlaineTog t1_j1dykef wrote

Replying to waffles2go2 (#1,023,485)

> I think this is a trope now - there is a real push for reform and while I believe the system needs an overhaul, I do believe that progress is being made and new recruits are not "constantly looking the other way"...

I would love to believe that, but there are just too many stories of police misconduct that keep coming out, even misconduct occurring post-George Floyd. Really makes it seem like the touted reforms are token at best (and outright distraction at worst -- gee, look at that, police funding is actually going up!).

> Said anther way, if you don't see change then you are not fucking paying attention.

There's been a patchwork attempt to slightly mitigate police misconduct in some states, but the broader systems and the incentives are the same, which means the same patterns will emerge over time. So long as the system is arranged in such a way that the police can routinely cover up their own misconduct, the police will continue to trends towards bastardry. Put differently, the police have very few checks and balances in place right now.

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BlaineTog t1_j1dz22l wrote

Replying to detective_bigfoot (#1,023,785)

Ultimately, any law will require state violence if it is to be enforceable. This means that some kind of police force will be required in any society that isn't pure anarchy. The system might have the cops brutalize civil rights protestors, but it also might employ them to protect protestors from terrorists or to arrest a CEO who has committed billions in wage theft. The specifics matter, even if our current specifics are so screwed up that it's hard to see how to untangle them.

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NoeTellusom t1_j1dzro7 wrote

Replying to ILikeCrabbyRobots (#1,022,168)

50% of the time we've called the police we get one of three responses:

  1. we're not coming out, just file a report online.

  2. it'll be hours until we can get there.

  3. we're on our way, then they never show up.

So yeah, not going to buy that bullshit. Meanwhile, police budgets are larger than ever and they are armed like the military without the same rules of engagement.

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detective_bigfoot t1_j1dzxkz wrote

Replying to BlaineTog (#1,024,434)

The concept of using violence to enforce laws is arguably inherently flawed in anarchist thought, but that’s beside the point, because the institution of policing was not made to enforce laws that actually help anyone, it was created to brutalize and persecute the underclasses. Don’t twist my words. It’s not the concept of law enforcement but rather the institution of the police which is inherently evil.

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[deleted] OP t1_j1e2d3a wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,024,601)

Where in the article did it say images were old or degraded or hard to define?I don't recall ,I don't think the Northwestern Mass DA and the Federal AG would move for indictedment without rock solid evidence ,what prosecutor ,state or fed wants egg on there face?

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BlaineTog t1_j1e3p0o wrote

Replying to detective_bigfoot (#1,024,527)

> Don’t twist my words. It’s not the concept of law enforcement but rather the institution of the police which is inherently evil.

Friend, you're twisting your own words if you're trying to draw a distinction that fine. But we can call the people who show up when a civilian starts committing violence something other than, "police," if you want. We'll need state agents to act in that capacity regardless of what their department is named.

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warlocc_ t1_j1eh6mh wrote

Replying to BlaineTog (#1,024,972)

The problem is twofold, I think. Besides the issues with police, another issue is our laws. Having police show up to enforce laws with violence is fine... Until the laws are stupid and not even preventing harm.

If you fly a toy plane in your own back yard without filling out the right paperwork, the same people that are expected to deal with violent criminals come to deal with you. Seems kind of broken.

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MOGicantbewitty t1_j1ei4xf wrote

Replying to BlaineTog (#1,022,984)

Exactly. There is a reason the previous Amherst police chief moved to Belchertown, and then there was a reason he retired early. He was one of the very few good guys, and he couldn’t control all the officers in Amherst. Went to Belchertown bc they have a strong chief law that gave him more autonomy. And the Beaupre got arrested for secretly filming women he had sex with. A year after he was promoted. Pronovost was so heartbroken he just gave up.

Fuck cops. ACAB. And fuck the sexual predators, especially the ones that squeeze out the few decent cops

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BlaineTog t1_j1ej21r wrote

Replying to warlocc_ (#1,026,356)

Absolutely. Right now, we throw the police at basically every problem facing society as our first line of defense, and that's simply ridiculous. Most police officers never fire their guns on duty, so why do sending armed individuals trained mostly in the use of force to places where guns clearly aren't needed? Surely some percentage of those situations would be better handed by agencies staffed with unarmed professionals trained in the particulars. If the threat of violence is enough to keep the peace, then isn't it enough to know that attacking one of those agents might then summon the police? That would at least prevent the state actors from making split-second mistakes.

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Murky_side_ t1_j1emqox wrote

Replying to spg1611 (#1,025,875)

I'm pretty sure this is sarcasm, and you don't know the details, like how I was cut down my face with a broken bottle and have a permanent scar. I could have easily bled out.

Still didn't call the stupid fucking police, and refused to answer anything they asked.

So kindly just fuck off, bootlicker.

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spg1611 t1_j1engio wrote

Replying to Murky_side_ (#1,026,981)

If you didn’t call the police after being assaulted that bad I’m sure you were doing something illegal.

Also in this state 911 goes to the police so it’s unlikely you “just” called the paramedics.

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ExpatJundi t1_j1ev6n9 wrote

Replying to Banea-Vaedr (#1,027,773)

Besides the turnpike overtime scandal (glad they got caught and feel zero sympathy for them) I can't think of anything large scale. It's entirely possible that there have been others that I've forgotten.

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Anra7777 t1_j1g68qt wrote

Wow. That’s a whole lot of deleted comments in this comment section. …I don’t wanna know. 😑

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Murky_side_ t1_j1gcnkc wrote

Replying to spg1611 (#1,027,055)

I called 911 and said I needed an ambulance. I was walking home from a bar at 2am, minding my own business with headphones on. Such a compassionate person you are, assuming I somehow was in the wrong. Are you sure you're not a cop?

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Alarmed-Nothing6013 t1_j1hb9bd wrote

'Who else should we teach our children to trust and go to for help if not he police?' said some woman in police uniform in my local Fb group.

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mattf1979 t1_j1l52zl wrote

Replying to MOGicantbewitty (#1,026,456)

I know a couple of cops who are retiring a bit early because of the way the new generation conducts themselves as officers. They are pretty much out of control and making their own rules, especially when it comes to the harassing/stalking of otherwise innocent civilians.

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MOGicantbewitty t1_j1n5pxp wrote

Replying to mattf1979 (#1,051,271)

It makes me really sad because there are some decent people out there trying to protect us who want to be police officers, but the bastards force the good ones out. Or they just look the other way which makes them a bastard to

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waffles2go2 t1_j1utr0m wrote

Replying to MOGicantbewitty (#1,080,784)

Ooof,

Y: "All Cops Are Bastards"!

M: "What about the cops that rescue children"?

Y: "ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS - they are part of a corrupt system"

M: "So cops shouldn't protect kids?"

Y: "No, they should but they're still bastards".

M: "Do you realize how immature and stupid your argument is?"

Y: ACAB!

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