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goldengodz t1_j2mucwr wrote

Some holidays and all sundays are the same pay. That blows and is basically 0 incentive to sacrifice time on those days. Nice

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[deleted] t1_j2na36k wrote

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jp_jellyroll t1_j2pxr38 wrote

>I don't think a lot of people realize how awful it is to be poor, even in Massachusetts with all the supposed social safety nets we have.

Massholes do not care. We're busy patting ourselves on the back for being better than Florida for the middle and upper class.

If you point out that inequality is a huge problem in MA and it's actually a very difficult place to survive for working class people, the response is pretty much, "Wahhh, boo hoo, go live in the South and see how you like it there."

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koidrieyez t1_j2nhrs8 wrote

$2400/mo? You're referring to full time employment. As the minimum wage goes up more and more lower tier jobs will be part time.

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DroidChargers t1_j2o000f wrote

I saw this shift happen before my last job closed. No more full time opportunities and all worker hours were extensively tracked so no one was going over the full time threshold. This was in an effort to not have to pay benefits in addition to increased wages.

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[deleted] t1_j2nm761 wrote

There is always going to be jobs that are the lowest paid jobs. Raising pay on those jobs will generally lead to pay increases fo the jobs that used to pay that amount but “should” pay more. It will generally trickle up and lead to inflation.

So people who recognized this purchased lower cost housing, such as mobile parks, and will be the ones who ultimately benefit

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watravis2 t1_j2nnbia wrote

Keep raising it and they will just keep raising prices. It’s why the free market works best. Not more price fixing.

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Proof-Variation7005 t1_j2mz3y4 wrote

That’s basically a side effect of the minimum wage increase. This was a quid pro quo from the retail industry in exchange for not fighting that harder

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tapakip t1_j2oum3g wrote

And also a sneak attack by the legislature to usurp a ballot initiative that proposed to raise the minimum wage to $15 without any changes to Sundays/Holidays.

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thankubest t1_j2pw6su wrote

The MA legislature seems to meddle in every single ballot initiative when they don’t get what they want. It would be nice if we had a law that protected ballot initiatives from having any related laws implemented for 5 years or something

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tghost474 t1_j2qnub0 wrote

I would also be great if we had state based electoral colleges. it’s fun to dream…

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Proof-Variation7005 t1_j2rsxo8 wrote

I get the idea but the point of our system isn't to govern by ballot initiative. The practical outcome of that kind of restriction is that pretty much any new law is going to be held up by faux initiatives. Legislature considering a police reform bill? Every FOP in the state would gather signatures for a ballot question to neuter the issue. You'd basically neuter the government in favor of a less efficient method that isn't even guaranteed to get the best results.

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Proof-Variation7005 t1_j2rt9de wrote

It was really 2 ballot measures and both the groups involved had enough signatures and backed down willingly because the bill was there. Government by referendum is a terrible way to go. It's inefficient, prone to erratic results and that state has more misses than hits on ballot questions. I'm not sure a straight "raise the minimum wage this much by this date" question passes with all the money that'd be thrown against it.

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claimsnthings t1_j2p5vud wrote

I loved working double-pay holidays when I was in high school.

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PakkyT t1_j2p138m wrote

Keeping in mind that is only legally requirements. Employers can do whatever they want so long as the meet the legal minimum. So with competition high for workers in minimum wage type jobs, employers may still be incentivised to offer overtime pay for certain days to get people to work even though they are not legally required to do so. Same reason many places already pay at least $15 before this law went into effect.

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NativeMasshole t1_j2nn5x9 wrote

Why should you need more incentive to work Sunday over any other day of the week? I wouldn't expect overtime if I worked a Wednesday to Sunday schedule.

What's more, there were already a ton of exemptions for a majority of job sectors. I just don't see any value or fairness in a law with such uneven enforcement.

Its primary purpose was to encourage people to go to church, and it has outlived that function. We shouldn't be clinging to nonsensical laws to alleviate issues that should be tackled more directly with laws actually based on modern standards. That's regressive thinking.

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NativeMasshole t1_j2pyv2g wrote

That's fair. I disagree that it should pay more, but that's why we got democracy. I guess my bigger hangup is that uneven enforcement. There's 55 exemptions! I've worked in a few different industries, and the only one I can ever remember paying overtime for Sundays was retail. Not food service, which has the same problems. Not logistics, despite also being notoriously underpaid and often with odd hours. If it were updated and clarified with a more direct vision of what it's for, I would at least find that acceptable.

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NativeMasshole t1_j2q1j90 wrote

Just because it's a fair argument doesn't necessarily mean I have to agree. I think it would put an undue burden on too many businesses who operate 24 hours, or ones which do the most business on weekends explicitly because that's when others aren't working, or small businesses. Which is why we ended up with so many weird exemptions. You aren't going to legislate Walmart into being a good employe. I'm all for worker protections and would love to see more unionization, so then employees could petition their employer directly if they think these provisions are necessary. That's the only way to break up our shitty labor culture.

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