Rocket_Popsicle t1_j6iywuh wrote on January 30, 2023 at 5:50 PM

Reply to comment by stumpcity in New Poster for 'Creed III' by MarvelsGrantMan136

Would you mind explaining what you mean by "self-fetishizing" in Creed II? I'm not trying to argue, I love these movies, and I just can't think of what you're referring to.

stumpcity t1_j6j0y5j wrote on January 30, 2023 at 6:03 PM

It's a key compontent to Stallone's whole career, and honestly part of the reason that career consistently goes way up and way down. He's a tremendously solipsistic creator.

Basically - Creed worked the way it did because he had minimal (if any) creative involvement. Creed II (didn't) work the way it did because MGM didn't want to wait for Coogler and handed the series back over to Stallone. And Stallone essentially wrote a Rocky sequel, not a Creed one.

JazzMusicFestival t1_j6j20sg wrote on January 30, 2023 at 6:10 PM

Coogler didn't want to return AT ALL. It has nothing to do with waiting for him.

And the story for Creed 2 with the Dragos pretty much was going to happen.

stumpcity t1_j6j3woh wrote on January 30, 2023 at 6:21 PM

What does any of that have to do with me explaining Stallone's consistent descents into unentertaining solipsism as the primary creative choice?

"Dragos" wasn't an inevitability at all. It was simply the first idea Stallone had pop into his head, and so it was the only idea he ever pursued. And it shows.

typesett t1_j6jddkj wrote on January 30, 2023 at 7:20 PM

yah but Dragos is a Rocky foe

i think Coogler would have preferred not touching Rocky people at all. although this new story reminded me of Tommy Morrison one

thunder-thumbs t1_j6ktame wrote on January 31, 2023 at 12:59 AM

What on earth are you talking about with solipsism? I know what it means but I don’t know what you mean.

stumpcity t1_j6kvqp0 wrote on January 31, 2023 at 1:17 AM

If you know what it means there shouldn’t be any misunderstanding then. Dunno how else to describe it than with an easily understood word you admit you understand.

GoddamnCarolBaskin t1_j6ls22c wrote on January 31, 2023 at 5:43 AM

The great irony is that this was a d always has been Stallone's franchise. Creed would not exist without Rocky and it's kinda weird he was pushed out of his own franchise

Rocket_Popsicle t1_j6j1dxz wrote on January 30, 2023 at 6:06 PM

Oh okay I got you now! I love Creed II, honestly, but I see what you're referring to. Adonis has sort of like a mental breakdown and Rocky has to keep bridging the gap in their relationship to pull him out of it, right?