Vegetable-Language45 t1_jchaq37 wrote
Reply to comment by AlexTheTolerable in New Hampshire House Votes 210 to 160 to Fully Repeal Marijuana Prohibition by GivenAllTheFucksSry
100% New Hampshire will never legalize until the federal government does, Sununu has said as much.
Live Free Or Die, my ass
Carry a gun with no permit? Sure, why not?
Smoke a joint, jail.
earpain2 t1_jchbsg2 wrote
If they legalize privately owned dispensaries, they undermine the entire foundation of our state liquor store system so you are correct. We’re going to have to wait until it is federal law so we can have state-run dispensaries.
Calling it now - in ten years we’re going to have them conveniently located off 93, just after the tolls!
Vegetable-Language45 t1_jchc77d wrote
Fuck the liquor commission and their monopoly.
Why would there be dispensaries at the border when literally every other surrounding state is legal?
Fuck it, buy an eighth and you get a free Roman Candle!
gortexcondom t1_jchlrms wrote
We have the lowest cost of liquor in the country. Why is that a bad thing?
JohnnyRebe1 t1_jchx4vt wrote
It’s not that much cheaper and most have to drive waaaaay farther to 1 of the state run stores. MA is closer to me than any of the state stores by a long way.
gortexcondom t1_jchxmb6 wrote
Where do you live? I legit can think of anywhere that is more than a 10 minute drive to a liquor store on the southern border. They are all over the place.
It is also significantly cheaper than mass. I would know because I went to school at umass Amherst but lived in Manchester NH. Every time I would go home I would buy tons of liquor for friends because some handles like captain Morgan’s was sometimes $10 cheaper. That’s like a 33% discount. This was in like 2010 though.
Tullyswimmer t1_jcigqpe wrote
I was gonna say, I've found it much harder to buy liquor in MA than NH. There's more stores if you just want like, Smirnoff and Jack, but if you're looking for more craft stuff, higher end stuff, or interesting/unique stuff, the state stores in NH have a WAY better selection than most of the private stores in MA, and are much easier to get to.
Plus, the sticker price in MA might be only a little more but then you get sales tax slapped on top of it.
ANewMachine615 t1_jchjv3f wrote
Lower taxes, same reason people buy liquor here.
Dux_Ignobilis t1_jchzj71 wrote
The stores produce a lot of tax money for the state and they generally pay decent as well. At least they did when I worked at one. Aside from that, since they have all the buying power collectively for the state, they actually get discounts from merchants since they can buy so much product in bulk. This is why the liquor stores in NH are cheaper than everywhere else. So not only do they provide a lot of tax revenue, they provide jobs and lower cost product. This would normally be the benefit of competing commercial companies but in this case the solution works just as well.
Tullyswimmer t1_jcih7jz wrote
I think the state run stores start at $12-something an hour, but the benefits are ridiculous and all employees, even part time ones, get them.
Yeah, there's a lot of ways that a state monopoly on liquor sales could go wrong, but in NH it works well, and generates a shitload of revenue for the state which is not really tax revenue.
I would 100% be OK with NH doing a similar thing with dispensaries because that's just another revenue stream for the state that keeps our taxes from going up as fast.
Dux_Ignobilis t1_jcihoc9 wrote
Damn. When I worked at a store 10 years ago that was the going rate for the sales/laborers. Was hoping it woulda increased in ten years but guess not.
I for one would definitely be up for the state doing it to increase tax revenue, but I don't want to wait til fed government makes it legal for them to do it either.
Tullyswimmer t1_jcijcb1 wrote
Seems my info is out of date.
I can't find the exact numbers on the state website (and I'm sure it's there) but it looks like the going rate is at least $16 an hour for a clerk II plus they get part-time benefits. I think it's part of one of the state employee unions. So it's really not a bad gig. A lot of the older clerks I've talked to are there because it's something to do and I think they get healthcare even as part time.
Dux_Ignobilis t1_jcik6k9 wrote
Yeah that makes more sense. That's what I would have expected the rate to be. If I recall correctly, Sundays you get 1.5x and Holidays are also 1.5x and if both coincide you get 2x pay as well. So it's definitely a decent job overall if you get the hours.
Tullyswimmer t1_jcikmuw wrote
Yeah. And even as someone who generally dislikes the government running shit and having a monopoly on it... I really can't complain about the way this state has set up liquor laws. It works well, the employees are treated well and have good benefits, and a lot of it is far cheaper than it is other places. And you can VERY easily find a specific bottle of something on the website and know exactly which store to go to if you want to purchase it. That is massively underrated if you're looking for something specific.
Dux_Ignobilis t1_jcimx1f wrote
Yeah it's always a situation of "it depends" and in this case it's been run efficiently so I support the government running it as well. An insider tip: depending on the store (the stores on 93 will sometimes do this - bigger stores more capability), you can request certain bottles that aren't in stock so long as you buy a couple bottles of it. So if there's like a rare whiskey or wine they don't have in stock throughout the state, some stores will order a case just to put on the shelf if they know a customer requested it and will buy a bottle or two.
Tullyswimmer t1_jck0sri wrote
The other factor here is that it brings in hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue for the state, which means hundreds of millions of dollars that's not collected through taxes, and my property taxes are already painful enough.
Dux_Ignobilis t1_jcl4ih3 wrote
Absolutely. At the time, the store I worked at would bring in around $20m/yr for the state all while having the revenue to pay employees well and extra for divestiture and investing into the liquor commission.
warren_stupidity t1_jchs37h wrote
The liquor stores will be fine. There is little if any decrease in consumption of alcohol in legal states. What foundation exactly is undermined?
earpain2 t1_jchvqe5 wrote
The foundation of having state-owned liquor stores vs retail stores offering liquor.
If we have retail cannabis, retailers could challenge the state-run liquor system.
warren_stupidity t1_jchvzhs wrote
There is no connection. Pot is not alcohol. We also have retail tobacco.
JohnnyRebe1 t1_jchxfzx wrote
Do people actually think their going to sell pot inside the state liquor stores?? That would never happen. They’d have to open new storefronts and they’d be a million miles out of everyone’s way. Easier to just go to MA or ME.
warren_stupidity t1_jchycx9 wrote
Stores will be allowed on a town by town basis. As there is revenue attached to allowing pot stores, and every town is hurting on proper taxes, the incentive to allowing it is pretty strong. But yeah it won’t be next to a school.
autymfyres7ish t1_jcjw4s9 wrote
Why can't we have BOTH.
NHGuy t1_jchyaoq wrote
It doesn't undermine the state liquor stores in the slightest
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cwalton505 t1_jchj0yr wrote
"Smoke a joint, jail."
It is decriminalized..... You don't go to fucking jail for smoking a joint. Unless you're doing it while driving. If you want to criticize the law status, go for it, but at least know what you're talking about.
Vegetable-Language45 t1_jci02lj wrote
.74 oz ticket
.76 oz handcuffs.
I'm aware of what I'm talking about.
cwalton505 t1_jci1z5c wrote
. 74oz joint lmao. You don't
Vegetable-Language45 t1_jci797w wrote
I didn't say joint in that comment, however if you've ever seen Up in Smoke you'd know that's definitely possible
cwalton505 t1_jcjlzyy wrote
Your original comment said smoke a joint jail, then you moved the goal posts.
Tullyswimmer t1_jcihp6n wrote
.74 oz is what, a pretty full quart sized bag of bud?
Like, you MIGHT be able to make a joint out of it but it'd be fucking massive.
Vegetable-Language45 t1_jcj27k3 wrote
If you lay 2 fingers across a baggie, that's roughly a quarter oz.
Trust me, where there is a will there is a way.
phantompenis2 t1_jck60vh wrote
why are you using the least likely scenario to prove your point
slimyprincelimey t1_jckfoz6 wrote
You know in MA you can't have more than an ounce, right.
So... if they lay 3 fingers across a baggie, jail there too. Not to mention, smoking one in public is theoretically illegal.
ArbitraryOrder t1_jchit2z wrote
>Carry a gun with no permit? Sure, why not?
Hell Yes
>Smoke a joint
Hell Yes
That's the FREEDOM way
[deleted] t1_jcilmlg wrote
Hey, stranger things have happened. New York legalized weed. I figured that police state would be behind Texas on that, but the dirt on Cuomo was just that good. Creepy Cuomo legalized it just to try to save his job.
The lesson is clear: if you want legal weed, MeToo the slimy failson of your local political crime family. There is no way there isn’t dirt to be found. All these political dynasties are corrupt as fuck. Newsom and Pelosi, Cuomos, Kennedys, Sununus, Huckabees, they’re all rotten. Just find someone to credibly destroy his character and he’ll throw a prole a bone. Until then, he’s gonna sit high up there and sneer at us commoners like the silver spoon bitch he is.
cheesytreesy t1_jchkigf wrote
It’s live free to die lol
slimyprincelimey t1_jckfj0r wrote
Why bother with hyperbole here? Simple possession is so normalized and decriminalized that a single joint specifically cannot land you in jail. Just let the facts speak for themselves.
slayermcb t1_jchsuq3 wrote
Possession is just a desk ticket. It's no worse then speeding.
Vegetable-Language45 t1_jchvnsg wrote
The fact that statement exists is the issue.
Speeding endangers other motorists and pedestrians.
Smoking marijuana does not, unless you're driving.
These are not equivalent activities.
slayermcb t1_jchwp5z wrote
While I agree, a ticket is far from jail time.
Vegetable-Language45 t1_jchx7ql wrote
Depends on the weight of the container the weed is in, and if the cop is honest.
Scales can be manipulated.
.70 oz? ticket.
.79 oz? jail.
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