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kzapwn t1_ixswwwl wrote

Reply to comment by Johnsonburnerr in Has anybody gotten tired of the NYC-related posts? by Technical-Car

It’s much more walkable here id say. No crowds of people to fight through. No chance of stepping in human feces. No crazy people screaming at you.

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Johnsonburnerr t1_ixsy9ce wrote

No way lol. Walks here can be more peaceful, cleaner, etc. but I mean more like getting from place to place by public transit. I just hate how car centric a lot of parts of Jersey are, even the more urban parts. But I guess that’s the rest of America not including NYC and a few other cities

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kzapwn t1_ixszvtm wrote

Okay that’s definitely a different story. Yes, one of the rare things NYC has over NJ is it’s public transit system.

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jgweiss t1_ixt7m24 wrote

also food, museums, street life, access to daily necessities, public events....

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kzapwn t1_ixt7v1i wrote

We have better food & access to every necessity lol

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Isosceles_Kramer_ t1_ixt98cj wrote

We definitely don’t have better food, we don’t have as diverse of a selection of food that’s for sure. NJ is not more walkable by any means either.

For instance: from my office in midtown, i can walk to 5 different ramen places within 15 minutes. From my home in north/central jersey, there are two ramen spots that are both 20+ minute drives.

If you don’t like that the city is crowded that’s one thing, but just say that then

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kzapwn t1_ixt9ir8 wrote

I just typed in ramen to my Apple Maps and 11 places popped up in my area lol

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Isosceles_Kramer_ t1_ixt9l95 wrote

It’s almost like your little slice of Jersey isn’t indicative of the entire state, “lol”

That was also just an example. The food in manhattan is more diverse and generally accepted to be better, that shouldn’t really need any justification.

One of the best parts of the state, and one of our defining characteristics, is proximity to manhattan.

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kzapwn t1_ixta7dk wrote

I randomly dropped a pin in a part of the state, somewhere called “penns neck” and searched ramen. 5 places with ramen in the name and 2 others that appear to be sushi + ramen. Our food is just as diverse. The only food I’ve had in NYC that was better than anything in NJ or unavailable here is Kenyan.

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Isosceles_Kramer_ t1_ixter0a wrote

I just dropped one by me. 24 hits - up to 20 miles away, with chinese/sushi spots (not actual dedicated ramen spots)

Food is incomparable imo, although we do have some gems. I’d put NJs food above a ton of/almost all cities/states i’ve been to. I do love it here, but from a food/culture standpoint to me we are more or less a byproduct of the vast amount of food/culture in the city

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sutisuc t1_ixts8qq wrote

NYC is better than NJ but California smokes them both

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Isosceles_Kramer_ t1_ixva7xl wrote

I don’t know enough about California to have a real opinion, but my experience is it’s so thoroughly not walkable it makes Jersey look urban.

But maybe i just haven’t seen enough of the state

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jgweiss t1_ixu6hme wrote

you're missing the point. you have access to food an necessitites, but would you feel the same way if you were underage/disabled/unable to afford a car? you are restricted to the ~3 miles around you, which is often not more than a few strip malls, some of which are across very dangerous roads.

yes life is fine in nj provided you can keep up on loan/lease, insurance and gas, and don't mind driving for 40 minutes to get "local ramen" 15 minutes away. but it doesn't compare to (being wealthy enough to afford) life in Manhattan, where everything you need is available within a half-mile walk from your home, and everything in the world is a 6 mile bike ride away (and you don't have to take your life in your hands biking on highways to get around).

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kzapwn t1_ixu6nf5 wrote

So in this hypothetical someone can afford to live in Manhattan but not be able to afford a car? Sure NYC is better than NJ if you don’t feel like hiring a driver

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sutisuc t1_ixsywvk wrote

I hope by “walkable” you don’t mean a suburban cul de sac

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kzapwn t1_ixszm75 wrote

What is the definition of walkable

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sutisuc t1_ixt1n0q wrote

I think you should start with your definition then we can go from there.

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kzapwn t1_ixt2kpm wrote

I’m thinking nice safe places to walk with some scenery along the way possibly. If you mean walkability in terms of transportation instead of cars then yes it’s not as good as nyc in some areas

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sutisuc t1_ixt39sn wrote

Yeah that’s more just walking as recreation or leisure which also exists in nyc but generally “walkable” means able to meet some or all of your daily needs within walking distance of your home such as employment, grocery stores, restaurant, entertainment, etc.

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kzapwn t1_ixt46ik wrote

Ah okay I see. Although wouldn’t that be canceled out by NYC being about as drivable as NJ is walkable? Manhattan at least. Like you can walk to the grocery store there but you have to walk with a weeks worth of food piled up in your arms all the way home

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sutisuc t1_ixt4bnc wrote

The trick is making smaller more frequent trips and then there’s a plethora of transit options as well that are not available in NJ if you want to do larger bulk buys.

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hfhifi t1_ixtbdk5 wrote

And NYC mass transit prices are a fraction of NJ equivalents. The MTA system is the least expensive per mile in the world.

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kzapwn t1_ixt5i2m wrote

I think I’d still have to take New Jersey. There’s probably more areas here that are both walkable and drivable at the same time. The last two places I’ve lived in the amboys almost all my needs were in walking distance, had train stations and were also right next to the parkway and turnpike. I’d have to go with that combo over superior walkability

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kzapwn t1_ixszn0z wrote

What is the definition of walkable

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hfhifi t1_ixt3qhu wrote

You cannot do anything without a car in most of NJ with the exception of commuter towns like Hoboken and Jersey City. Walking is almost entirely recreational and not functional

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