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Kevo_NEOhio t1_j9v3azf wrote

Reply to comment by flaccidcolon in Suspect arrested in 2001 killing of a pregnant soldier at a former U.S. Army base in Germany by StevenSanders90210

Why is that though?

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ReachingHigher85 t1_j9vbb9t wrote

I’ll take “men who don’t want to wear condoms but who also don’t want to be fathers OR held financially responsible for their offspring” for 400, Alex.

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sb_747 t1_j9wct98 wrote

Generally that’s just not true.

It’s dudes who are already abusive continuing to be abusive.

While pregnant women are less able to defend themselves, less able to run away, and have a greater chance of severe and potential injury.

The pregnancy plays more of a role in the abusive partner feeling the woman is being lazy for not doing the same tasks as quickly and increasing the frequency and severity of abuse as a result.

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AnBearna t1_j9vvc58 wrote

And you’d be dead wrong.

It suicide in nearly 70% of cases. Check the statistics in the post above the one you just replied to.

We all seem to want the answer to be ‘it’s violent men’ which is sad because it shows how well we are all getting conditioned into thinking that shit. I mean, that’s where my head went first so I’m criticising myself as much as anyone.

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ThatDerp1 t1_j9w1w0s wrote

…but 30 percent were still homicide, most by partners.

And abuse by the partner is pretty common among suicidal pregnant women, and is a common correlation if not cause.

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ThrowawayYYZ0137 t1_j9vc33a wrote

There's something about possessive controlling men that feel they can do anything they want with a woman once they've put a baby in her, as if they've now taken or claimed her agency and she no longer has any of her own.

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NervousSorbet t1_j9w3gwd wrote

I wonder why they feel that way when that was how it legally went for so long.

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Patsfan618 t1_j9vkcky wrote

Men not wanting to be responsible for their part in making a woman pregnant see violence as a way of getting out of that responsibility. In civilian life, they tend to just run away, whatever that may mean. In the military, running away is a jail-able offense, making violence an even more likely option.

It is even more likely if the relationship was unlawful in the first place. In the military there are rules on who can be in a relationship with who, depending on rank primarily. Officers cannot have relations with enlisted and non-commissioned officer (sergeants and above) cannot have relations with lower enlisted. This is because the military understands the unfair power dynamics created by a rank based hierarchy (even if sometimes they chose to ignore these rules for higher ranking soldiers).

A pregnant soldier is extremely vulnerable to domestic violence and it keeps a lot of women from wanting to join the military, and understandably so.

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flaccidcolon t1_j9v3h9i wrote

I dont know, it's just a very sad statistic.

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Kevo_NEOhio t1_j9v5c73 wrote

True. I went down a bit of a rabbit hole but doesn’t really indicate why a woman would be more likely to be killed in a domestic violence situation of when she is pregnant or not pregnant. It does mention that not having access to proper reproductive healthcare can lead to more risk.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/homicide-leading-cause-of-death-for-pregnant-women-in-u-s/

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greenwarr t1_j9wat1b wrote

I’m confused. Stats cited here are about causes of death for pregnant women. Did I miss where it compared likelihood of a pregnant women getting murdered to that of a women who is not pregnant?

And lack of reproductive healthcare leads to more risk of what, getting murdered?

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[deleted] t1_j9vjfgs wrote

Why downvote his comment. It's genuine question reddit

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AnBearna t1_j9vvr3g wrote

Because it doesn’t mash with the sub’s preconceived notions about all men being violent assholes.

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Starlightriddlex t1_j9w8dj0 wrote

No one sane is saying all men are violent assholes. The problem is that the majority of "homicidal" violent assholes happen to be exclusively men. The second leading cause of death for men expecting children is not murder by pregnant wife.

The message should not be "all men are bad" that's ridiculous. Our society has a cultural problem causing these crimes and we need to address it.

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VentusHermetis t1_j9vpzjo wrote

Pregnant women are usually young and frequently visiting a doctor. That disconfirms a lot of potential causes of death

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