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kbig22432 t1_j7vvzor wrote

“Those aren’t antennas, they’re a perch for birds”

~ CCP spokesperson

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[deleted] t1_j7vw3ts wrote

China already has data collection through TikTok, Reddit and others. I wonder if this was just for military radio frequencies or something.

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[deleted] t1_j7w9nci wrote

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L_Cranston_Shadow t1_j7xg394 wrote

Satellites have limits when it comes to picking up radio signals though, because of interference and reflection of radio waves in the upper atmosphere.

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SkunkMonkey t1_j7vz990 wrote

Wardriving with a balloon.

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TheDaoistTech t1_j7w4aw7 wrote

That was my first guess as well. Most likely SIGINT collections looking for "vulnerabilities in the signals". i.e. "stuff we can jam/disable if/when we attack"

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SkunkMonkey t1_j7ws2wj wrote

Everyone was freaking out about how it would take better pictures than satellites, yada yada, and all I could think of was wardriving and the likelihood it had zero optics.

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geophilo t1_j7x1wz9 wrote

Could you explain wardriving?

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5DollarHitJob t1_j7x2xtd wrote

From Wikipedia

>Wardriving is the act of searching for Wi-Fi wireless networks, usually from a moving vehicle, using a laptop or smartphone. Software for wardriving is freely available on the internet.

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Moxxxie_au t1_j7x89bu wrote

Wardriving for 4G/5G?

I doubt standard 802.11 would have the range to be monitored up there.

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redhatch t1_j7xl6yn wrote

No way they’re looking for WiFi. You’re lucky if those signals make it ~300 feet from the access point, let alone 60,000.

Even cell signal is probably relatively unlikely as the antennas on cell towers are highly directional and aim most of their signal towards the ground.

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yourewrong321 t1_j7yg5af wrote

Ever try getting LTE in a plane? The China ballon was even higher. There’s no chance

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jonathanrdt t1_j7xut6t wrote

All transmissions would be encrypted, so you wouldn’t learn anything intercepting the traffic. But you sure could learn the frequencies and how to disrupt them.

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KimJongIlSunglasses t1_j7xwiif wrote

Or they can crack the encryption since they make all the electronics.

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TheDaoistTech t1_j7y2hhf wrote

Not very likely I would posit. Too much effort to crack the encryption without some super stealthy backdoor method. Not impossible but unlikely as the backdoor to the crypto would have to be pretty beefy or be some sort of "shortcut" in the crypto that somehow has flown under the radar for so long as whole panels of independent experts have been perusing over since the RSA debacle.

More likely and easier to implement would be a hardware killswitch. Turning something "off" is much simpler and cheaper. Hypothetically speaking while I place this mass of tinfoil around my head; One well placed relay in the baseboards or some triggered logic patch that dumps source power to critical components and you bring down whole systems in one fell swoop. Pretty stealthy that way too because it's simple. Simple gets lost in complexity as the complexity acts as noise in the design documents. Government based systems are very much paranoid about this sort of thing so I doubt you would see this in anything like the US nuclear arsenal where they were floating these balloons.

Though with that sort of testicle tight grip on the supply lines in the consumer markets; they could cripple lots of other supporting things that aren't as stringent with their hardware/software sources. Communications, traffic controls, water, power, hell even sewer, so on and so forth. Look at how pissed people get when their internet goes out. Imagine how they react when EVERYTHING goes out and the toilet is backing up! Lots of chaos and turmoil for us to handle all at once!! Emergency response would be paper thin and stressed to the max! Cats marrying dogs outside of wedlock! We're doomed!!!

Ahem... Taking the tinfoil off... The likelihood of such a thing is still pretty darn slim. Lots of hobbyists have been peeling back baseboards and ICs without any permission from the manufacturer and voiding their warranties for a few decades now and nobody has spotted a whiff of stuff like this. We're post "clipper chip" discovery where folks will expose anything for internet clout.

I'm not confident enough to say it's impossible. Just very unlikely they have this sort of capability.

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MiaowaraShiro t1_j7zvbgh wrote

Makes me wonder why they didn't just do this in a land vehicle. Not like they couldn't have someone drive around with a giant antenna in a truck. Our roads are completely open.

Is the altitude necessary?

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SkunkMonkey t1_j7zw5ve wrote

Larger area covered.

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MiaowaraShiro t1_j7zwcev wrote

Sure, but at the cost of being found out. 50x white box trucks driving around would go unnoticed forever I would think.

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SkunkMonkey t1_j8008si wrote

But, but, but it's just a weather balloon!

Apparently this isn't the first time. That we the public know about. In the spy business, you don't reveal what you know. It allows you to continue monitor them. If you reveal, say when our spy agencies spotted the balloon, the next time they will do something different and you might not catch them.

I've no doubt, those in the spy business and charged with protecting our secrets, knew about this and took appropriate actions to not only protect our assets, but to make sure they didn't know we knew.

Once the public became aware, they needed to do something. So they waited until they could control the area where it would come down. That was the Atlantic off the coast. Now we get to see exactly what they were doing and the level of tech used.

We will be able to point at it and say, "Look, this is spy shit, not something that would be used for 'weather' monitoring." Next time one of these approaches our territory it will be toasted ASAP and there will be no ambiguity over whether or not it was some errant weather balloon.

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Succulentmeditator t1_j7wvcrj wrote

And not committing cultural genocide of Uighurs via slave labor camps and kidnapping/relocation of their children.

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geophilo t1_j7wypel wrote

Uighurs we're dealt such a fucked hand in this timeline! I can't even imagine the suffering.

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L_Cranston_Shadow t1_j7xfsv3 wrote

And not invading one sovereign country illegally (Tibet), committing cultural genocide against them, and plotting to do the same to another one (Republic of China aka Taiwan), which has more of a right to the Chinese mainland and heritage than the current PRC regime does.

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bunbunzinlove t1_j7xwlep wrote

And not stealing the organs of their political prisoners to traffic them in their rich 'no-waiting list' clinics.

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allegate t1_j7xqwzm wrote

makes wanking motion while rolling eyes

Yeah ok bro

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ISmokeDatGreen t1_j7xrbb6 wrote

Yeah just eat up whatever bullshit the US Government tells you, that’s worked out soooo well before.

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allegate t1_j7y3c51 wrote

I don’t believe the government is neither lying nor telling the truth. Whatever they say the media will phrase the way the media wants to so why should I care either way?

I just don’t bring up thirty-year-old news to make a point. If I did, I’d use something like MK Ultra about how the government lies to us. Or Operation Northwoods.

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ISmokeDatGreen t1_j7z22nk wrote

Why go back and bring up Northwood’s or MK ultra when we literally have Iraq and Afghanistan war which happens way more recently, Even Vietnam happened after MK ultra and Northwoods

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y3llowhulk t1_j7xz9sy wrote

I like how people here never question anything the American government tells the public when it comes to rival nations but they simultaneously refuse to trust the U.S. government on every other topic.

It’s definitely possible there are spy capabilities in the balloon but the government could also just easily escalate it and claim they found an unexploded nuke inside and the entire country would call for war without ever seeing the contents.

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Succulentmeditator t1_j86l4nt wrote

You must not have been in the US around the time of the Iraq invasion ramp up - we had the largest nationwide protests since the late 60’s/early 70’s. But you sure seem like a person eager to grind on Winnie the Poo’s lap.

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ISmokeDatGreen t1_j7z27nv wrote

So many people are raised on and blinded by propaganda that they can’t even see it and it’s ridiculous. They focus so hard on other countries so you they have to deal with our country and it’s many problems, that’s what Americans best that.

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y3llowhulk t1_j7xykar wrote

People here think only the Chinese government lies but the US government always tell the truth because they care so much about their citizens. /s

Like somehow propaganda can’t exist in western society and only those hive mind Chinese fools are dumb enough to believe everything the government tells them on the news.

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macross1984 t1_j7wh3ww wrote

US should send China trespass violation and bills for usage of fighter to shoot down trespasser.

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nappy_zap t1_j7vw4br wrote

I guess it’s a good thing we don’t have anything smart to say over the entire US.

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halfsherlock t1_j7wdui5 wrote

I just did not have “spy balloon” on my 2023 bingo card. What a time we live in.

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washington_jefferson t1_j7wibbk wrote

You’re obviously not a part time bettor! Making safe bingo card picks doesn’t pay out well. “Big earthquake in Turkey” or “Controversial police brutality killing in [insert small city in the South or Midwest] does not pay much profit.

You’ve got to go with something like “Ellen transitions to a man, reboots career, and is the number one-rated talk show host,” or “Local [insert small town] franchise Jack in the Box starts selling beer and cocktails to generate sales. Is quickly shut down for not even having a liquor license.”

Big $$$ if you hit on a bunch of those.

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AttackOficcr t1_j7ymjlm wrote

My money is on "Far right group joins sit-in protest for improved work conditions. Leaves when told Amazon isn't a government agency." and "AI drivers develop traits of road rage, Quote; We learned it from you."

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Porkstar70 t1_j7wazps wrote

BuT, bUt, iTs JuSt a WeAtHeR bAlLoOn

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Scat_fiend t1_j7y2rts wrote

No wonder they threw a temper tantrum trying to get the evidence back.

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This-is-Life-Man t1_j7wckfe wrote

They had antennas on them? Damn. Now we know there was fuckery afoot.

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Captain_Heroman t1_j7zorv4 wrote

“whatever the surveillance payload is on this balloon, it does not create significant value added over and above what the PRC is likely able to collect through things like satellites in Low Earth Orbit.” Senior defense official from the pentagon

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AsunasPersonalAsst t1_j7whzfa wrote

And it even had solar panels. They should have shot it down at first sight, who knows how much it had gathered.

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malphonso t1_j7wnqq7 wrote

Since we knew it was coming before it got here, probably not much.

There is something to gain from seeing what questions a potential adversary is asking, though. So let it go a bit, hiding what needs to be hidden before it arrives, see if you can jam any transmissions it's making. See what China wants to know without giving anything away. Then, when you know what you need to, down it and collect the technology.

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scottieducati t1_j7xgc4e wrote

Good thing the prior president didn’t let three of these things slip by undetected or anything. Phew, close one!

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[deleted] t1_j7xjobu wrote

Is there any point where something like this considered an act of war?

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iama_computer_person t1_j7xf0ie wrote

Collecting intelligence? Over the US? Lol! Do they even keep up on 'Murucan news?! No intelligence here...

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Sweet-Sale-7303 t1_j7wjo12 wrote

Why do they need a balloon to do that? Where I live there has been a cone on a man hole cover for a week. Blocking one lane of traffic. Saw a guy with a work vest use a regular truck to drive up to the manhole go down for a half hour and leave. Nobody questioning why the lane is blocked off for the cone on the manhole.

This is in an area of the US with multiple intercontinental submarine cable landings .

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Argikeraunos t1_j7wy7xs wrote

I really don't see why this is my problem and I resent the fact that they're going to use this to try to increase the military budget even more. I didn't sign up for the great power competition and China and the Chinese are not my enemy, a sentiment that I think most reasonable people would agree with, but in the US there is no real democracy when it comes to foreign policy. There is no pro-detente, anti-cold war, anti-imperialist politics in the US.

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Additional_Hair_8301 t1_j7zl3sj wrote

Cold War 2, cold harder.

Maybe the survivors in the ashes will learn something. I doubt it though.

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