drinkingchartreuse t1_j8ynosf wrote
Let me get this straight… Russia invades Ukraine in a broad daylight robbery. They specifically destroy civilian property and infrastructure. They kidnap thousands of children. They rape and murder women and children. Russian soldiers proudly display their swastika tattoos. Looting, booby trapping, rape, mass murder, kidnapping. Putin continues to imprison or murder his opposition . Russia has shown zero interest in any trustworthy good faith negotiations.
Now the European leaders want to trust that a diplomatic solution is possible. This is not the time for the Neville Chamberlain school of diplomatic stupidity.
No negotiation.
Russia leaves Ukraine and all its territories.
Russia pays trillions in reparations.
War crimes trials.
Sanctions for decades.
Sweden, Finland, and Ukraine join NATO.
clif415 t1_j8zf69h wrote
Negotiating peace is the only solution. Anything else will only add to the expansion of what is already considered WWIII and add misery throughout the world beyond anyone's imagination. Let level heads prevail on this one.
drinkingchartreuse t1_j8zpud2 wrote
That will only lead to a policy of appeasement, which merely encourages the bully and rewards them for all the war crimes. Then they will always know they can just keep taking more with no price to pay.
That doesn’t work out for anyone but the Russians.
Stop their advancement now or face a Russian Europe
Draker-X t1_j8zfl3y wrote
>Russia leaves Ukraine and all its territories.
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>Russia pays trillions in reparations.
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>War crimes trials.
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>Sanctions for decades.
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>Sweden, Finland, and Ukraine join NATO.
Russia is 100% in the wrong, and the highlighted bullet point is the only acceptable end to this situation.
The issue with the rest of your list is that we're dealing with a nation run by a madman, with no shortage of madmen (is there a woman in the top ranks of Russian politics who could be leader?) who could, on a whim, choose to fire nukes at every major city in the world and basically end human civilization if pushed too far.
Accomplishing #1 without even MORE of a widespread humanitarian catastrophe that has already taken place is going to be difficult as it is.
drinkingchartreuse t1_j8zq243 wrote
If that were so, then we should all learn Russian and surrender now. The bully wins.
Draker-X t1_j8zuahe wrote
Did you miss the part where I said the only acceptable outcome to this scenario is driving Russia out of Ukraine, and returning Ukraine back to its pre-2014 borders?
>When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.- Sun Tzu
The key to the "best' (which is still bad) case scenario to end this madness is to defeat Russia but not completely humiliate them, which could cause them to say "eh, fuck it. If we have no viable future, then let's just let the nukes fly."
At NO point in my comments have I advocated that "we should all learn Russian and surrender now. The bully wins.' That's complete horseshit.
AlastorSparda t1_j90f4he wrote
Source for Russian soldiers proudly displaying swastikas?
drinkingchartreuse t1_j90jm0v wrote
Out of all those things, you picked the tattoos?
Reevaluate your priorities.
And try google
AlastorSparda t1_j90pnag wrote
At the moment most of news is propaganda,from either sides.But its weird that you would say Russians have swastikas when its known for a fact Azov fighters are the one associated with nazism.
drinkingchartreuse t1_j90uebj wrote
Yes, yes, anything to try to make Russia look like the good guy, right? Not a word about murder, rape, looting.
AlastorSparda t1_j91az4x wrote
Obviously Russia isn't the good guy,but lets not pretend things are so simple.In all honesty I believe this war must stop,however you should think twice about how this situation has come to what it is,and about what is reported to be true or not.
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