Draker-X t1_j8zfl3y wrote
Reply to comment by drinkingchartreuse in Russia-Ukraine war live: world leaders meet in Munich; grain deal negotiations will start next week by UsernameEmanresu22
>Russia leaves Ukraine and all its territories.
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>Russia pays trillions in reparations.
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>War crimes trials.
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>Sanctions for decades.
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>Sweden, Finland, and Ukraine join NATO.
Russia is 100% in the wrong, and the highlighted bullet point is the only acceptable end to this situation.
The issue with the rest of your list is that we're dealing with a nation run by a madman, with no shortage of madmen (is there a woman in the top ranks of Russian politics who could be leader?) who could, on a whim, choose to fire nukes at every major city in the world and basically end human civilization if pushed too far.
Accomplishing #1 without even MORE of a widespread humanitarian catastrophe that has already taken place is going to be difficult as it is.
drinkingchartreuse t1_j8zq243 wrote
If that were so, then we should all learn Russian and surrender now. The bully wins.
Draker-X t1_j8zuahe wrote
Did you miss the part where I said the only acceptable outcome to this scenario is driving Russia out of Ukraine, and returning Ukraine back to its pre-2014 borders?
>When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.- Sun Tzu
The key to the "best' (which is still bad) case scenario to end this madness is to defeat Russia but not completely humiliate them, which could cause them to say "eh, fuck it. If we have no viable future, then let's just let the nukes fly."
At NO point in my comments have I advocated that "we should all learn Russian and surrender now. The bully wins.' That's complete horseshit.
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