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clif415 t1_j8zf69h wrote
Negotiating peace is the only solution. Anything else will only add to the expansion of what is already considered WWIII and add misery throughout the world beyond anyone's imagination. Let level heads prevail on this one.
drinkingchartreuse t1_j8zpud2 wrote
That will only lead to a policy of appeasement, which merely encourages the bully and rewards them for all the war crimes. Then they will always know they can just keep taking more with no price to pay.
That doesn’t work out for anyone but the Russians.
Stop their advancement now or face a Russian Europe
Draker-X t1_j8zfl3y wrote
>Russia leaves Ukraine and all its territories.
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>Russia pays trillions in reparations.
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>War crimes trials.
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>Sanctions for decades.
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>Sweden, Finland, and Ukraine join NATO.
Russia is 100% in the wrong, and the highlighted bullet point is the only acceptable end to this situation.
The issue with the rest of your list is that we're dealing with a nation run by a madman, with no shortage of madmen (is there a woman in the top ranks of Russian politics who could be leader?) who could, on a whim, choose to fire nukes at every major city in the world and basically end human civilization if pushed too far.
Accomplishing #1 without even MORE of a widespread humanitarian catastrophe that has already taken place is going to be difficult as it is.
drinkingchartreuse t1_j8zq243 wrote
If that were so, then we should all learn Russian and surrender now. The bully wins.
Draker-X t1_j8zuahe wrote
Did you miss the part where I said the only acceptable outcome to this scenario is driving Russia out of Ukraine, and returning Ukraine back to its pre-2014 borders?
>When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.- Sun Tzu
The key to the "best' (which is still bad) case scenario to end this madness is to defeat Russia but not completely humiliate them, which could cause them to say "eh, fuck it. If we have no viable future, then let's just let the nukes fly."
At NO point in my comments have I advocated that "we should all learn Russian and surrender now. The bully wins.' That's complete horseshit.
AlastorSparda t1_j90f4he wrote
Source for Russian soldiers proudly displaying swastikas?
drinkingchartreuse t1_j90jm0v wrote
Out of all those things, you picked the tattoos?
Reevaluate your priorities.
And try google
AlastorSparda t1_j90pnag wrote
At the moment most of news is propaganda,from either sides.But its weird that you would say Russians have swastikas when its known for a fact Azov fighters are the one associated with nazism.
drinkingchartreuse t1_j90uebj wrote
Yes, yes, anything to try to make Russia look like the good guy, right? Not a word about murder, rape, looting.
AlastorSparda t1_j91az4x wrote
Obviously Russia isn't the good guy,but lets not pretend things are so simple.In all honesty I believe this war must stop,however you should think twice about how this situation has come to what it is,and about what is reported to be true or not.
BLOODY-DIARRHEA-CHUG t1_j8wavxw wrote
>grain deal
Someone get Frank Sobotka on the phone ASAP
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onemoresubreddit t1_j8xb8pu wrote
-Is it true that Russian officials are scared of gay western mind control?
-yes of course!
Is it true that Russia and Ukrainian negotiated a previous grain deal allowing Ukraine to ship grain out of Odessa?
-yes of course!
-is it also true that Russia bombed that port less than 24 hrs later?
-why yes it is!
See how easy that is?
In all seriousness your country is the global laughing stock and will either implode or end up as a Chinese puppet within 10 years.
SethikTollin7 t1_j8y8me4 wrote
--Is it true all words are made up sounds with agreed upon meanings?
-Duh
--Am I different from you because I'm a seperate brain in a different meat suit
-Der
--Is consciousness itself what we all are?
-Why did anyone have to explain this to all of us, yeah we're all subject to witness what happens in this universe followed by every single other perspective of it. Maybe we need to all start living right.
--So evil acts from one affecting many is the worst thing?
-precisely
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onemoresubreddit t1_j8xe4me wrote
Lol I’m not doing this cause it’d be back and forth forever. I’ll just leave you with these thoughts.
Captured T90M Sunken “carrier killing flagship” Drunk convict soldiers Annual debt limit exceeded within 3 months Absent SU 57 and T14 40% of active tanks destroyed 100,000 causalities for a fucking salt mine. Over a million young people fleeing the country. Dozens of officials “falling out of windows”
It’s been 1 year.
Think long and hard about where this is going. RF is FUCKED
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drinkingchartreuse t1_j8yofsz wrote
You mean the Crimea that Russia invaded and stole with military force? That Crimea?
If this were the 1940’s, you would be a nazi sympathizer.
HappiestIguana t1_j8yfo7c wrote
I am also very good at winning made-up conversations.
Odd-Employment2517 t1_j8z0atj wrote
Instead Russia chose to give up their geopolitical influence by looking completely weak compared to their supposd rivals (China and maybe the EU, the US is an entire other league). The russian military is weak, their populace is weak scurrying across the border to avoid their drafts, their equipment appears defunct. Russia will likely even lose Crimea by the time this is over all for what, 200k dead Russians and no gains if it runs another year?
[deleted] t1_j8yphnc wrote
Hey do you have a podcast where u interviewed a green beret n ukraine?
drinkingchartreuse t1_j8ynosf wrote
Let me get this straight… Russia invades Ukraine in a broad daylight robbery. They specifically destroy civilian property and infrastructure. They kidnap thousands of children. They rape and murder women and children. Russian soldiers proudly display their swastika tattoos. Looting, booby trapping, rape, mass murder, kidnapping. Putin continues to imprison or murder his opposition . Russia has shown zero interest in any trustworthy good faith negotiations.
Now the European leaders want to trust that a diplomatic solution is possible. This is not the time for the Neville Chamberlain school of diplomatic stupidity.
No negotiation.
Russia leaves Ukraine and all its territories.
Russia pays trillions in reparations.
War crimes trials.
Sanctions for decades.
Sweden, Finland, and Ukraine join NATO.