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strik3r2k8 t1_j8nlt1m wrote

”The thing is, we really did have everything, didn’t we? I mean, when you think about it.”

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MirtaGev t1_j8psk1k wrote

What happens when it shatters?

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Most_Ruin_3005 t1_j8qf11r wrote

It's also worth mentioning 2 more points:

  1. not only will sea levels rise, but as glaciers melt, they'll disrupt the composition of the ocean itself. Glaciers are fresh-water, while most of the ocean is salt water. This will, inevitably, lead to significant oceanic ecosystem disruptions and potentially many more extinctions;
  2. rising sea levels will also have a dramatic impact on global weather patterns. It's hard to predict what those will be, but we should expect more unpredictable weather shifts, stronger storms, and more anamolous "once in a century" weather events becoming significantly more commonplace.

So, in reality, the situation is much more dire than just sea level rise. We're at the liminal precipice, now, of the Holocene Extinction. Buckle in, because shit's gonna get real weird.

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missC08 t1_j8rhk7f wrote

Sigh. Now I'm depressed.

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missC08 t1_j8sc5td wrote

All of this, is a big reason why I'm on the fence of having kids. My husband and I want to be parents but the environment is going to shit. We'd feel guilty bringing kids into this world and then we'd be leaving it worse off than before.

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stvrkillr t1_j8nwzpi wrote

We’re going to have whatever planet we deserve

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picklesthecat t1_j8olhj0 wrote

Yeah I feel bad for all other organisms we share this planet with. We really are a virus with shoes.

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CirrusPuppy t1_j8p9ufo wrote

Humanity is not a blight, or a plague, or a virus.

Humanity is fine, it's the handful of selfish cowards that are steering the rest of us directly into danger, death, and destruction all for the pursuit of imaginary numbers on a computer screen that tells them they have greater claim to safety, comfort, and security than everyone else.

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iocan28 t1_j8pkp81 wrote

Is that really the case though? I feel like humanity has collective guilt here, and the fact that people aren’t outright taking action, violent if need be, to steer things towards sustainability makes those of us not doing more guilty. Just being part of modern civilization is possibly enough. Saying it’s just a few people doesn’t accurately describe the problem.

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Draker-X t1_j8q9rb4 wrote

And the rest of us did relatively nothing while they did so.

The billionaires alone aren't going to melt this glacier, or kill of the bees, or start the Sixth Extinction Phase that some scientists say we're already in. It took billions of people, either actively ruining the Earth or standing idly by while it was done, to do so.

Including you and me.

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CommanderCody1138 t1_j8oxfrx wrote

Virus with a brain and sentience...thats far worse

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TheDodoBird t1_j8p7m9j wrote

And opposable thumbs!

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Burstar1 t1_j8p8jfa wrote

and my axe!

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dillrepair t1_j92zrc9 wrote

Lula de Silva has already made strides toward slowing rainforest loss, we need to support that shit dude. Another reason why Ukraine is happening the way it is relates to the massive amount of rare earth minerals in the regions that Putin really wants. It’s always about money and power and finding the right place to strike small axe blows to either bring down the good in the world or to raise it up. Use your axe wisely.

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MeestarMann t1_j8p8zuz wrote

…well, I’ll technically grant you the “brain” part of your statement…but the rest…..

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dillrepair t1_j92zll0 wrote

And the earth doesn’t care. It’s a striking revelation taking historical geology anthro and climatology in undergrad…. It won’t be the first time that millions of species disappear and it won’t be the last… but that doesn’t mean we have to sit here and hasten it either

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Harmonic_Flatulence t1_j8olerc wrote

Calling it the "Doomsday Glacier" is ridiculous and easy fuel for deniers to point at as say, "those scientists are overreacting".

Call it the "Coastal Flooding Glacier" or "Florida's Nightmare Glacier".

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Harmonic_Flatulence t1_j8pw1gc wrote

>They are going to claim scientists are "overreacting" no matter what the scientists say.

Yeah. Likely true. But I figure don't give them something easy like this to point at.

Yeah, I live that bit from Carlin. Thankfully human life will be nothing more than a blip on the history of earth.

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thewwwyzzardd t1_j8pl52m wrote

I don't think the branding will matter too much to the people who choose to deny global warming.

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Harmonic_Flatulence t1_j8po66l wrote

Perhaps. But "Doomsday Glacier" is extreme hyperbole, and too easy to shoot holes in, for my taste.

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thewwwyzzardd t1_j8pp06p wrote

Its really not, 2 feet of sea level rise will be a disaster of a level never before seen in recorded history. How is calling it a doomsday glacier extreme hyperbole?

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Harmonic_Flatulence t1_j8ppy4q wrote

Disastrous? Absolutely!! People all across the globe will be displaced and losing fertile farmland. And worst of all, the poorest will be the most affected.

The end of civilization? "Doomsday"??? Far from it.

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thewwwyzzardd t1_j8prlwl wrote

Ok. I disagree with your assement but thats fine.

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Harmonic_Flatulence t1_j8pt5xw wrote

I am curious what you disagree with. Do you believe the melting of this glacier will in fact be the end of civilization?

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Wu-kandaForever t1_j8pxj03 wrote

Displacement of hundreds of millions of people will spark war on a global scale.

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Harmonic_Flatulence t1_j8q03pb wrote

I will be very, very bad, indeed. Displaced and hungry poor people; refugees moving upland and seeking out wealthy countries. Millions of desperate people seeking refuge all around the world.

However, what would the source of this fighting be? Poor refugees dont have a lot of weapons, and we've seen many people in power willing to sacrifice the poor masses...

Climate change is very, very bad for the poor nations of the world, but the wealthy perpetrators of climate change will use their power and wealth to insulate themselves from the effects they created...

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Wu-kandaForever t1_j8q3lsf wrote

For some reason you don’t think there is coastline in wealthy countries? What are you talking about? Not to mention every catastrophic effect a rising sea level has on every nation that has the ability to wage war.

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Harmonic_Flatulence t1_j8qemmh wrote

Oh, there is plenty of coastline in wealthy countries. But as I said, the poor will unfortunately be the refugees. The wealthy countries will likely be able to absorb their refugees, while the poor countries suffer...

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if_i_was_a_folkstar t1_j8rrklx wrote

40% of people live on or near a coastline

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Harmonic_Flatulence t1_j8s4dql wrote

But how many live within 3m of sea-level? I live on the coast, the shipping ports are 300m from my home, but we are 30m above sea-level.

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if_i_was_a_folkstar t1_j8wjmpt wrote

We are talking about over a billion climate refugees by 2050, what % of those people will be from the coastline idk but we are talking about an 1/8th of the worlds population being displaced. Being 30m above sea level is not gonna be enough to escape the environmental and social consequences, even if your property is fine. I don’t think sea level rise will be the end of civilization, climate change however very possible.

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Harmonic_Flatulence t1_j8wt09g wrote

>I don’t think sea level rise will be the end of civilization, climate change however very possible.

On this point, we agree. Climate change (as a whole) could bring about dramatic changes to the human landscape. And we should be doing everything we can to convince people we need to change our fossil fuel focus.

And I feel calling this glacier "the Doomsday Glacier" is unnecessary hyperbole.

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if_i_was_a_folkstar t1_j8wtv5k wrote

Given the stakes I don’t really think it’s hyperbole but we can agree to disagree, at this point climate alarmism can’t hurt. I personally feel like scientists often fail to communicate the severity of climate change to the public. “Doomsday glacier” is snappy and has a better chance at remaining in the public consciousness and having people understand the stakes

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thewwwyzzardd t1_j8qaplk wrote

I do think that it will be the end of what we currently know as normal, how much the new world that emerges resembles our current civilization is a big unknown to me. Drougts, storms, famine, war tend to change things regionally but on a global scale and occuring simultaneously? Sounds like the makings of what could be a new "fall of rome" but with much larger scale and more severe. I do not think it bodes well for civilization. One thing is certain, if we continue down this path now we will need massive changes in the ever closer future to make things work.

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Harmonic_Flatulence t1_j8qm8ds wrote

All those things you described are the effects of climate change in general, not this glacier. I agree that climate change will ultimately change our society, in many ways that are difficult to predict.

We need to people on board with correcting our course, and serving up hyperbole to shock people will work about as well as DARE did in the 80-90's.

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thewwwyzzardd t1_j8qqkie wrote

You asked a question, i answered it. We don't agree.

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Harmonic_Flatulence t1_j8qr18z wrote

Fair enough.

Let's agree to push for less fossil fuel consumption, more solar power options, and other strategies for reducing the impacts of climate chang.

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I_likeIceSheets t1_j8y41wi wrote

Or just call it Thwaites. Nicknames just make it harder for scientists to communicate this important topic to the public.

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Amrokmfc t1_j8oph1b wrote

That glacier is the approximate size of Florida and can cause up to a 1.6 meter rise of the ocean level, which in turn directly threatens other glaciers that represent another 3 meter rise of ocean levels. So about twelve feet of ocean rise. That’s not good.

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Raregolddragon t1_j8oymky wrote

So will this wash all the crazy's in Florida off of the map?

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737069746F6E6D65 t1_j8pd0t7 wrote

Well I sure as hell don't want my tax dollars going to help the displaced. They chose to live there and knew the risks!

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dillrepair t1_j92yaqc wrote

Nah it’s gonna push em up north. Fuck that shit. Theres really good reasons beyond the obvious why all these GOP guys all pass bills or send memos saying “don’t talk about this or that or teach this or that”…. And then all leave and seek out of state office as fast as they can…. Like Rick Scott for example had a gag order on talking about climate change by state agencies… wonder why. Furthermore wonder why insurance won’t even bother covering people in Florida anymore? Yeah there’s other big reasons too… but they’re all hedging bets the politicians and the insurance because they know damn well half the revenue generating locations in the state are going to be underwater or unlivable within a decade. It doesn’t look as bad as you might think on the sea level rise interactive map but when you take into account where is actually livable and where most people currently are living it’s scary as shit.

Nobody is ready for what’s coming and it’s coming much faster than people expect… and I guarantee you lots of big insurance companies have really well done mathematical predictions that would frighten people but they keep that kind of knowledge a secret because it’s how they make money. we’ve already surrendered 1.5 degrees folks.

Oh also I checked… dipshit Orange man country club doesn’t look like it gets swamped right away…. And that’s just sad considering how much that family helped hasten this.

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veringer t1_j8r71mq wrote

No, they'll flee and raise real estate prices in higher ground cities and states across America. We need to build a wall.

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CommanderCody1138 t1_j8ox8sl wrote

I'm 95ft above sea level so I'm good.

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MillyBDilly t1_j8p17xl wrote

Well, no. People will be moving in land. Infrastructure will need to change, and you still need to eat.

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Misguidedvision t1_j8pl9ck wrote

Long pig migration might be the solution AND the problem

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HardlyDecent t1_j8razbi wrote

I for one welcome the long pig migration with open arms. Time to expand the smokehouse.

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Ok_Cranberry_1936 t1_j8qnufs wrote

>I'm 95ft above sea level so I'm good.

I'm sure this is a joke.

But, knowing there are people this selfish out there who don't care about anyone other than themselves, in this exact moment in time is bewildering

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WizardMama t1_j8r4tpt wrote

There’s a community in Louisiana called Money Hill who promotes being 150ft above sea level in all of their marketing. Even the community map has it listed top center.

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petit_cochon t1_j8p6w23 wrote

Right, because water pollution doesn't spread.

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FattyCorpuscle t1_j8nwia8 wrote

"Those of you in the front row will get wet."

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[deleted] t1_j8o2c4v wrote

Gonna watch Waterworld this weekend and take some notes.

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Jon_the_Hitman_Stark t1_j8o9h3u wrote

Have gills and/or dirt. End of notes

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bajesus t1_j8ps8dt wrote

Start tattooing your children now with a vague "map" that is just an arrow pointing up.

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goltz20707 t1_j8phszf wrote

I see a number of comments here like, “sea levels are going to rise X feet, but I’m Y feet above sea level, so I’m fine.”

No. No, you’re not.

Remember how, not that long ago, all the closures and disruption from COVID-19 totally screwed up the supply chain? Well, the vast majority of the nation’s commerce, and that of other nations, flows through oceanside ports, ports that will be largely unusable for a good period of time once the seas rise. Probably for decades, even if we start adapting them now.

Oil, LPG, JP-1, imports from China, exports, everything non-domestic that doesn’t come from or go to Canada or Mexico, all of it flows through oceanside ports, many of which will be shut down or impaired.

And, just like there are many major cities near the ocean, there are many major airports. Inland airports will still be functional (although see above re: JP-1), but our air traffic control system is largely at capacity now. Diverting all the flights from JFK, Miami, etc. to other airports is going to create the mother of all air traffic jams.

And except for digital traffic, air and water transport is all there is for intercontinental commerce. (I suppose we could use suborbital rockets, but that doesn’t scale well.)

The upshot is, once the sea levels rise—and it’s a when, not an if—take COVID levels of disruption and multiply them by 20. At minimum.

This is on track to happen within 10 years.

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octopusarian t1_j8pwojn wrote

Ugh I remember having this moment during the toilet paper crisis. Sitting in my room alone, early quarantine, staring at the wall just thinking "fuck. If this is what a virus does to us, what's gonna happen when climate change finally peaks?"

Like nearly everything that props up society was buckling at that point and all we had to do was stay inside ffs. I want to be optimistic but it was a real wake up moment...

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ThinkSleepKoya t1_j8ps66p wrote

I really, REALLY want to think you're just some rando on the internet trying to troll people into being afraid, but I have a gut feeling that you are not wrong. And that scares me.

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goltz20707 t1_j8psntw wrote

If it helps, I’m not a meteorologist, climatologist, international trade expert, sailor, pilot, air traffic controller, or really any kind of expert whatsoever.

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Spoonloops t1_j8pswx1 wrote

Not surprised. I live in a northern region in Canada. We've had more days above freezing than below this winter. Thats ABNORMAL. Sure we've had random above 0 days on the past, but its been +5, +7 then -2 then back to +4 for an extended period of time. We're seeing GRASS.

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Draker-X t1_j8qaakm wrote

I live in the Midwest of the U.S. During the roughly 90 days of meteorological winter, there's usually snow on the ground for somewhere between 30-45 days, and we're usually good for 3-4 good -sized snowfalls of at least 4-6" per year.

This year? 1 big snowfall and maybe two weeks of snow on the ground total. It's seemingly rained more than it's snowed, which is weird for winter.

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dillrepair t1_j92whwz wrote

Yep . 50s (f) occasionally thru December Jan and feb in far northern Wisconsin snow belt… but at least one full week of almost consecutive days with above freezing temperatures for the majority of the daylight hours each of these months. Which in January and February is extremely abnormal. Watching the national and regional pressure maps and temp maps has been very odd over the last year too. And I watch them pretty much every day because if the lake is soft I need to know the weather. Winter tried for a few weeks at a time here and there, but it mostly lost. The most recent year that’s been anything close to this warm was the winter of 2016-17. And what would be outliers like this are happening more and more regularly. Just take a look at the change from normal in sea surface temperatures in the Bering Sea over the last 10 months to year timeframe.

I’d recommend anyone who wants to start paying close attention to how things are changing by watching the weather closely by the day to get the windy app… and the premium is worth it, let’s you see all the models

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the_eluder t1_j8ogx1n wrote

Perfect - I'll have sound front property!

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UristMcHammer t1_j8ovd2a wrote

might be a good time to invest into some mildly inland property, it'll be beachfront soon

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dillrepair t1_j92zcws wrote

I checked and orange man gets to keep his little golf club probably. For anyone interested just Google interactive sea level rise map… and click on the gov or nasa website that comes up I can’t remember which it is

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bobswowaccount t1_j8p5xeg wrote

Look at the bright side, this will have a positive effect on the ratio of garbage to water in our oceans.

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alien_from_Europa t1_j8psdhm wrote

I'm not so sure since Florida counts as trash.

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ExcitedGirl t1_j8rg2zn wrote

Florida here. Our State is ok, but there's something about the people - and multiply that by 10 for its politicians.

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Didact67 t1_j8pjzuz wrote

Damn. Still not enough to entirely erase Florida.

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TrunksTheMighty t1_j8pdjif wrote

We should just nuke the glacier and be done with it. The waiting is the hard part.

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Adamweeesssttt t1_j8qn2hp wrote

Welp, time to start investing in dirt currency.

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Trips_Nicely t1_j8r374a wrote

I think I'll just sell my beachfront property to a whale. It should already be perfectly accommodated, my mother in law has been living here for years!

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lovablemonty t1_j8uks47 wrote

gets popcorn ready alrighty, let's get this show on the road

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Faithinreason t1_j8o9o1p wrote

OMG! TDIL: warm water melts ice

For every downvote Im gonna feed a cow broccoli. I’ll take you wankers out one cow fart at a time.

Edit Dos: keep them coming you spell checking thundercunts. I love wasting youre time

Eydet trees: YAAAAAAAASSS!!!!

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johncapo t1_j8oi0p2 wrote

Is that really what you thought this article was about?

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Faithinreason t1_j8ojy6m wrote

No, but the title begged to be poked at.

In reddit tradition I refuse to actually READ an article.

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jjfrenchfry t1_j8pj86e wrote

I feel like down voting someone is hardly a waste of time, whereas you adding edits feels like a bigger waste. how often are you checking this comment?

Seems like the only one wasting time is you. (and me writing this message, but I honestly have nothing going on at the moment so I can afford the time).

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Faithinreason t1_j8q24cm wrote

I have to see how much broccoli to buy.

But seriously, I’m just screwing around. A tiny bit of trolling is fun now and then.

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jjfrenchfry t1_j8q4xth wrote

What's with this broccoli bit? Do cows like broccoli???

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Faithinreason t1_j8r56rt wrote

Broccoli is known to be a “gassy” food like cabbage.

It was a drawn out joke about climate change. Apparently not a good one

🤷‍♂️

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