Los Angeles police accidentally release photos of undercover officers to watchdog website
latimes.comSubmitted by BearJew1991 t3_11xsmsd in news
Submitted by BearJew1991 t3_11xsmsd in news
There's no way it's a way to get rid of some of the enemies of the LA cop gang. Oh, there's NO WAY they would do something like that... I'm sure it was all a total accident.
This is a terrible take. Police incompetence/laziness is an enormous problem, and accounts for most of the biggest problems we see with police organizations. Like, Police malice is a really big problem. But it pales in comparison to the incompetence and apathy many organizations exhibit. If you're a True Crime fan, you know how bad and rampant the incompetence can get.
I post this a lot but there’s a billboard in my town the cops put up that has a thin blue line and it says STOP THE WAR
As in stop the war against cops? You know, the armed branch of the state? Which makes all of the rest of us non leos (you know, the ones who don’t get paid vacation time for murdering people or shooting poodles) aggro enemy combatants I guess?
The billboard underneath that one is still available for rent and I’m still taking suggestions on what we should put there. It infuriates me every time I see it. My point is that cops absolutely hate non cops and that makes up the biggest part of their problem. 95% malice, 5% incompetence
WE SURRENDERED ALREADY, STOP HURTING US springs to mind
It’s a group of puppies with the caption we surrender.
Have an arrow pointing up and a caption interpreting it.
STOP THE WAR
"In other words: STOP trying to hold us ACCOUNTABLE for our actions."
Then, have a bunch of photos of innocent people wrecklessly killed by police.
OP, if you do this, make sure a lawyer creates insulation between you and the billboard contract. If they paid for that billboard, they're going to work to discover who paid for its criticism.
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I mean that's a terrible billboard and suggests your local police aren't particularly good.
But its kind of a reach to take that as evidence that all the cops throughout the country hate everyone who isn't a cop don't you think?
Still even if your right, how is that applicable in this scenerio? Everyone involved was also a cop.
You haven’t been paying attention
You got a little boot polish on your chin there.
Right cause everyone who ever questions the logically fallacies must be part of the enemy.
If you must know I personally think the American police force is both institutionally and personally corrupt, racist, overpaid, overmilitarized and an embodiment of all the countries failures (or if your more cynical, a reflection).
I just don't think them putting up a billboard is the best argument you could make to prove it or that it has much to do with this story.
Yes incompetence is a huge issue, but there have also been a lot of stories recently about the problems with la cop gangs. An intential leak to intimidate people into not talking is a very real possibility.
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There is a big issue with cop gangs in LA right now and the current head of the LAPD has actually made a force to combat these gangs. I would say the commenter is speculating, but he is right in that there is a issue with gangs in police
What you’re saying is definitely true. What he is saying has some merit too.
they're literally only around to beat up minorities, the other shit is just side work
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no one, and I mean no one gives a shit.
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Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
We're talking about police, so why not both?
One can be fixed. The other needs to be… resolved.
Malicious people love how popular this dumb idiom has gotten.
Probably, yeah, because malicious people aren't that common. Most people fuck-up out of laziness or genuine incompetence; most people are not trying to deliberately hurt other people. They hurt people with massive incompetence and apathy.
I think police departments do attract more than their fair share of actually malicious people.
The ones that aren't actively malicious dont make it through academy
They don't stay that way. That is one of the sadest things about policing in this country is even people who go into with good intentions get corrupted by the system, and they either leave or convert.
Or get murdered by their fellow officers...
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There is no way that it is more likely that this waa intentional and not a crazy mistake. Leak the information in a less public way and have the cops either moved, fired, or killed, and then it probably wouldn't even make the news.
Tell me you don’t understand Hanlon’s razor without telling me you don’t understand it.
Who’s razor???
Problem is, once it becomes a pattern, stupidity is no longer an adequate explanation.
Because stupid can’t form patterns?
Animals can form patterns that harm others it doesn’t mean they did it out of malice.
Bad or stupid habits are easily formed.
And you’re assuming that malice can’t pretend to be stupidity.
If there’s pattern of “stupidity” that just so happens to benefit the “stupid”, it’s very safe to assume malice.
That is literally the opposite of hanlons razor.
It is like you willfully ignore that and need to believe mustache twirling evil is why people do dumb stuff.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
A pattern of apparent stupidity that benefits the “stupid” is not adequately explained by mere stupidity.
The fact it benefits the “stupid”, and the “stupid” keeps doing it, despite the harm it’s going to others (because malice wouldn’t even be a question if there were no harm happening) is all the evidence you need to assume malice.
Even if they are truly ignorant of the harm that’s happening, willful ignorance is malice.
Additionally lying and claiming stupidity is a common defense for the malicious who get caught. The intelligently malicious will make sure that their actions can appear to be explained by stupidity.
No, the variables of “The stupidity is a pattern” and “The stupidity benefits the one being stupid” change the equation enough that you’re the stupid one if you think that “they don’t know that they’re doing, they’re just dumb” is sufficient explanation.
stupdily malicious?
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A pattern of “stupidity” that benefits the “stupid” can be assumed to be malice, though.
They would've been much more surreptitious than "accidentally" releasing a list in this manner.
Pretty good take.
All 9,300 of them? If they have that many enemies how are they still alive.
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