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GoliathTCB t1_jdv3v4e wrote

With the rumoured info available, here's my take: a gas leak caused an initial, smaller explosion and subsequent fire, that initial explosion's concussive blast disturbed what had previously been settled cocoa dust across rafters/pipes/vent shafts, and when this cloud of dust was sparked, the entire building became a pressure bomb in effect.

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john_doe_jersey t1_jdvp481 wrote

People always seem to forget that safety regulations are written in blood.

I don't know if Trump's 2017 rollback of Obama-era safety rules put in place after the 2013 chemical plan explosion in TX was a factor here, but when safety takes a back seat to profits, people die.

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kaihatsusha t1_jdwpnle wrote

Deregulation is another word for "let's relive past tragedies!"

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ILikeMyGrassBlue t1_jdwq8mu wrote

Yup. Whenever you see a “don’t do XYZ,” it’s because some did it.

A perfect example of this just happened to a guy I know. He uses these machines at work. He was training a new guy and explicitly said, “there’s no guard here, but make sure your fingers don’t go in. This thing’ll pull them right off.” A few days later, the guy know accidentally got a finger in there and was just barely able to save it. He got incredibly lucky and easily could’ve lost a whole hand. And now they finally decided to pay someone to put guards on those specific machines to prevent it.

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throwaway661375735 t1_jdznj6e wrote

Guards like that cost money. Corporations don't like to spend money, unless lobbying is more expensive. Its the reason trains derail so often. Lobbying, is much cheaper than fixing the problem. 😕

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Jayce_T t1_jdx8wpy wrote

And that unless the fines and punishments are high enough, big companies will flaunt them anyway and eat the cost

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Relentless_Salami t1_jdvweko wrote

"Safety regulations are written in blood..." this man drank the Kool Aid at his OSHA 10 training.

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TheGaussianMan t1_jdw3neg wrote

This guy has never worked in a factory or lab.

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17times2 t1_jdw72gv wrote

Seriously. You can literally watch it happen in front of you. We have stricter regulations on our barrel makers because someone lost half a finger. Extra ventilation was only made when one summer our interior reached 130 degrees F and workers literally could not be in the plant for more than 5 minutes and were getting hospitalized from heat stroke.

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bradlees t1_jdwhx3l wrote

It seems he does. Maybe he just hates regulations (though it seems like he understands them)….. it’s just a weird opinion he has I guess.

Good choice in flashlights, motorcycles and stuff like that though so I’m reserving actual judgment here that he actually obeys OHSA even if he hates it. At least I hope so…

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preprandial_joint t1_jdwkjd1 wrote

they sub to antiwork too ironically.

"We don't need no OSHA regulations to tell me how to do my job!" and "What's that? You expect me to put effort into my job?"

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Relentless_Salami t1_jdwti9q wrote

I partake in plenty of subs thst I generally don't align philosophically with. I'm actually a former union EHS rep. And ironically I work in an industrial lab/testing facility. I keep myself and my co-workers plenty safe.

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ogipogo t1_jdx3ewu wrote

I'm glad you aren't responsible for my safety.

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Relentless_Salami t1_jdx60jd wrote

Why because I said someone drank the Kool Aid during their OSHA 10? What an odd way to come to a conclusion lol. The internet man.......haha.

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Skewk t1_jdyehbx wrote

Do you have a particular reason or examples to share why you disagree?

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Kronqvist t1_jdw31r1 wrote

Funny, kinda sounds like you’re chugging kool-aid right now, just a different flavor.

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kaizenkitten t1_jdw6yf0 wrote

Hey at least you know it was made in accordance to 29 CFR 1910.141 (h)

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persolb t1_jdw2hlz wrote

Yeah, we should stop pretending safety is our top priority. Safety is important, and people try to reduce risk, but in practice it almost always takes second place to doing what needs to be done.

Millions of people in the US drive to work everyday. ~100 of them die in vehicle accidents every day. Meanwhile ~5 people die a day at US workplaces (excluding vehicle accidents above and violence).

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17times2 t1_jdw7wgd wrote

> Millions of people in the US drive to work everyday. ~100 of them die in vehicle accidents every day. Meanwhile ~5 people die a day at US workplaces

...Is this attempting to minimalize fatalities in workplaces? Cars have new safety features put on or improved every single year to save lives. What do you think you're arguing here?

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persolb t1_jdx3eco wrote

I guess my point was that, much like driving to work, people take risks people take risks when working. The biggest risk, by far, that people take is driving to work in the first place.

The remainder of the risks are minuscule in comparison. A defensive driving course would make everyone safer than OSHA 10.

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17times2 t1_jdx949c wrote

> A defensive driving course would make everyone safer than OSHA 10.

Do you have a stat for this, or are you just continuing to minimize the efforts of workplace safety? There's a big difference between idiots on the road you have little to no control over, and say, an exposed pump with moving parts that has been reported 3 times to management until Phil got too close and it pulled his hand in and now they finally put a metal shield over the damn thing. Although I guess Phil's wasn't a fatality so he doesn't count against workplace safety...

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persolb t1_jdxagd7 wrote

You are arguing a straw man. I never said we should ignore safety, I said safety wasn’t number 1.

If safety was number 1, we’d all refuse to drive to work.

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17times2 t1_jdxej30 wrote

Then by that logic, all of us should stay and hide in bed because there's danger outside. Congrats, you win the useless pedantic argument award.

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bradlees t1_jdwk5wj wrote

Oh I see persolb - dying is just a thing that everyone who goes into work just has to deal with. Like, who cares if you die at work. Right buddy?

Except people no longer have to die. Follow these rules and put this gear on or use these guards or follow these steps and you will never get killed at a job. Which is why your statistics are so low for workplace deaths.

I’m am betting you never saw someone get killed at work. Have you?

I have. Twice. Both “just wanted to get things done”. No extra time was saved and both will never see their kids grow up or go home again.

Comments like yours are just coming from a place where you don’t know any better. I felt that way too. Then I saw a guy get crushed. Another get smashed into the warehouse floor after falling from the top level racking.

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persolb t1_jdx0zd9 wrote

Four times. Two suicides by train, one roll away and crush, one because a scissor lift failed.

Excluding the two suicides, neither was ‘because they wanted to get it done’.

You missed the part where I said the goal is to mitigate risk. That does not mean safety is the first priority. The safest job is always the one that doesn’t happen.

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TraditionalRest808 t1_jdwnmlm wrote

Factory dust explosion fact.

A dime high of dust can cause an explosion.

The carbon in the sugar makes this type of explosive very dangerous.

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unropednope t1_jdwpxdo wrote

Doubtful. This occurred in a building separate from the actual factory, near the human resources department. Gas leak.

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TraditionalRest808 t1_jdwq3tv wrote

Doughtful?

Perhaps you didn't read.

I didn't say dust caused the incident, only that this is a safety fact taught to factory workers from science?

Does that help your comment?

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