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Juggs_gotcha t1_irrskew wrote

Uhh what? Dude we've had daily reporting on horrors uncountable for my entire lifetime. Who, at this point, is left who has any soft skin to be uncomfortable at finding out that awful shit is happening literally every second of every day?

The Twin Tower attacks were the entire news cycle for six months. School shootings make the news like weekly. Every month we get another blurb on eight palestinians who were shot by Israeli defense forces, or maybe the other way around, some bombing kills a woman and her kids on the way to the grocery. We get news forty or fifty miners are suffocated or poisoned to death in a Chinese mine at least quarterly. Nobody even bothers to mention Africa anymore, they just shrug and be like "it's tribal genocide bro, just like yesterday, the day before that, and tomorrow".

I don't understand what they're talking about when they "deeply regret" their entire business model. I don't understand that people are any longer distressed at hearing about this stuff.

The world is a shit sandwich, all I'm waiting for is the inevitable ecological collapse that kills us all.

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r-reading-my-comment t1_irsgfeh wrote

They're not "apologizing" for their normal reporting style, they're "apologizing" for showing things that are banned by many countries' censors and disturbing a crime scene.

This is more akin to if they accidentally showed a titty in the US, while trespassing.

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Juggs_gotcha t1_irsm5qc wrote

That statement does fairly well sum up my absolute perplexity at the state of U.S. culture. Gun violence daily, deaths en masse? Throw it up there on television, no worries.

One single nipple? You scum bag what are you trying to do, turn our children into strippers?

I don't get it. I'd rather the news play a thirty second montage of every celebrity cooch shot that has ever been taken than have to wade through seeing where a bunch of kids were fucking murdered.

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r-reading-my-comment t1_irw8fh6 wrote

I saw a dude get shot live once, the station freaked the fuck out about it. It was an accidental clip they got of a dude shooting himself.

I get the general vibe of your post, but the news shows doesn't like showing real violence or nudity. It shows anything up to that though.

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byebyecivilrights t1_irrv1n5 wrote

>Dude we've had daily reporting on horrors uncountable for my entire lifetime. Who, at this point, is left who has any soft skin to be uncomfortable

This is horrifying and a good question. I wonder I'd our brains are wired differently than those of our ancestors. The increasingly common response of "oh well" to things like the heat death of the universe or nuclear Armageddon probably wouldn't have existed 100 years ago. Or maybe it would have.

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SpaceObama t1_irrwb8x wrote

Ancient peoples had their own apocalyptic predictions that they believed just as much as ad we do the heat death of the universe. They still said “oh well” and went on with their day.

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byebyecivilrights t1_irrxf9f wrote

Yes, you're absolutely right, but I'm specifically thinking about my great grandmother who grew up in the great depression. Her response to negativity was always "oh well, let's keep moving forward anyway." But mine has always been "oh well, might as well give up -- if I die I die."

That's the specific difference I'm interested in. Although that might just be me.

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Justicar-terrae t1_irsic5z wrote

You can find that same "Screw it. If I die, I die" attitude all throughout history.

Look at how people reacted to prevalent capital punishment back when it was widespread. There are accounts of child pickpockets in London plying their trade amongst audiences gathered to watch other child pickpockets being hanged. In Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcast about capital punishment, he reads a letter written by a wealthy French woman describing how her friend did a decent job of not crying or screaming during her beheading for some trivial offense; the letter reads like the beheading was simply a casual affair. In various Roman and Greek historical accounts, people often treat their imminent executions as matter-of-fact chores. Cicero, Socrates, Regulus, and Agrippina come to mind; ditto early Christian martyrs (though they are least believed in an afterlife).

Look at how people treated warfare. For example, in the early gunpowder era there was a volunteer group in most armies called the forlorn hope whose job was to run straight at an entrenched enemy to make them fire their already loaded muskets and cannons. After the forlorn hope did their job as cannon fodder, the rest of the army would advance while the enemy reloaded and reorganized. What's surprising is that the forlorn hope, the name of which made clear how screwed its members were, was an all volunteer job yet frequently saw repeat members. There are letters from some of these repeat volunteers describing the absolute horrors of being in the forlorn hope and watching their friends in front and all around turn into red mist when hit with cannon fire or musket volleys. There were some soldiers who just didn't give a fuck whether they lived or died.

Look at the cold war nihilism, born from a common belief that the whole world was going up in mushroom clouds any day now. There are songs from the time poking fun at the inevitable doom. For examples: https://youtu.be/frAEmhqdLFs and https://youtu.be/KXSUEU7ISfQ and https://youtu.be/8XPzICHxXoQ

And those are just off the top of my head. People in the past were much like us. Any time things got really bad, bad to the point where hope seemed a distant memory, people have been able to put on a "eh, fuck it" face and keep on trudging on autopilot.

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byebyecivilrights t1_irsr8hy wrote

True! I think we as human beings all have a tendency to think we're special lol

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riptide81 t1_iruq2ke wrote

I honestly think part of it is living in relative luxury. For past generations the threats we’re much more immediate. If you didn’t keep moving forward during the Great Depression death was a very real possibly not just abstract melancholy. We can live in our heads and be complacent while still getting our basic needs met.

It’s gets harder the further back you go. Did you ever read a historical biography and note how many children they lost to illness yet somehow kept going?

It was basically only the second half of the 20th century on (depending on demographic) that a large number of regular people experienced fairly dependable comfort and security.

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7718760119 t1_irs866r wrote

Wow I thought I was alone in my newfound nihilism. Glad I'm not!

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SapientRaccoon t1_irumc4w wrote

They also had to endure more people around them dying if accidents and disease, and also a higher child mortality rate. They were closer to death, saw it more often.

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myrddyna t1_irv4go4 wrote

> Ancient peoples had their own apocalyptic predictions

meh their predictions were that there would be a flood (which would contaminate water wells and if you couldn't find clean water in three days, your tribe died), or a drought (kills off food growing, so your tribe will starve, or die of dehydration moving to a new area), or just 'we'll be attacked by a rival tribe that will kill us!'

These are easy to predict, and foolishly attributed to the gods or prophecy. Today, we know a lot more, and the predictions are actually based in science, and are much much more accurate as to the greater future of mankind.

Us saying, "oh well" and going with our day is going to end with our extinction, as a species, rather than a tribe.

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Two_Coast_Man t1_irry6ai wrote

The past was infinitely more violent than life in modern, developed countries. I've heard the theory floated that in medieval times, essentially everyone was dealing with some form of PTSD. Executions were a common public spectacle and the response to seeing them was a resounding "oh well".

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byebyecivilrights t1_irsr4rc wrote

God how did I forget about that. Gladiators in the Roman empire, hangings in King Henry's time, lynchings during the Jim Crow era ... human beings really are violent, aren't we?

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originalthoughts t1_iruhl3b wrote

Pretty much all animals are. Pigeons kill injured pigeons for example.

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CW1DR5H5I64A t1_irs4t7l wrote

The Hindenburg crash only killed 35 people. But we all still remember it almost a hundred years later like it was some kind of massive historical event.

I feel like if that happened today it might get one segment and then the next day/week everyone would forget about it.

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theMTNdewd t1_irscb95 wrote

I think the video is 95% of the reason why it's so remembered. If there wasn't video, especially without that raw narration by the newscaster who's witnessing it ("oh the humanity") it wouldn't be as impactful and memorable as it was.

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MississippiJoel t1_irsd9kq wrote

Minor historical nitpick here, but the audio you're referring to was a radio broadcast. Moving pictures didn't have sound in those days; someone else just paired the two together later.

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MississippiJoel t1_irsdyle wrote

Historically, it's because it changed air travel. Airships were converted to using the non-combustible helium instead of hydrogen almost instantly.

But even that point aside, like the titanic, like the supposed war of the worlds riot, like the great fires of Chicago here and London over there, each great catastrophe gets one chance to completely knock us senseless. It's only by the subsequent ones that we start going "yeah, I knew that was possible. Wonder why they didn't prepare?"

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CW1DR5H5I64A t1_irt6uky wrote

The vast majority of Airships already used helium. All of the US navy Air Ships stationed at Lakehurst Naval Air Station (where the crash happened) all used helium.

The Hindenburg (and other German airships) only used Hydrogen because of sanctions from WW1.

They knew it was dangerous, but they weren’t allowed access to the safer helium.

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nwash57 t1_irsaf4c wrote

A comment I saw that resonated with me the other day: "We are wired to handle the trauma of a village, not the trauma of the entire world"

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ethnicbonsai t1_irsqyjg wrote

Our ancestors faced far more immediate and tangible examples of death and brutality than people typically do now, at least in the west. High infant mortality, war, famine, lack of sophisticated law and order……

We see stuff on TV. It wasn’t that long ago executions were a form of public entertainment.

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WillDeletOneDay t1_irsvhx9 wrote

Don't forget the diseases and injuries as well as the extreme and inadequate treatments of them.

Almost no one living today will have to experience having their leg sawed off with no anesthesia. Or a slow painful death from tuberculosis.

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AtticMuse t1_irtoxwn wrote

>The increasingly common response of "oh well" to things like the heat death of the universe

Why have any other reaction to the winding down of the universe trillions of trillions of years from now?

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ashkestar t1_irsgs7l wrote

Well, part of the issue they deeply regret seems to be that their crew illegally entered a crime scene while illegally working on tourist visas, but admittedly that framing wouldn’t result in as many rage clicks.

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Juggs_gotcha t1_irslfyy wrote

Yeah the apparent violation of several Thai laws is probably grounds to hold a couple of those dudes for a substantial length of time. You're right, of course, the click baity title does not see fit to add that little tidbit of information.

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gingerisla t1_irshp5r wrote

The issue here was that they apparently entered a building that had been blocked off by the police to gain more graphic footage. That's unethical.

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Juggs_gotcha t1_irsl7pu wrote

Last I heard, Thailand was a bad place to play around with the law. Can't be too surprised that a large media outlet would shoot for the moon to obtain some juicy horror for the evening time slot though. Pretty awful, that people would actually want to see the murder scene, just knowing it happened is enough for me to be a little more tired of humanity.

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WeirdJawn t1_iruim7d wrote

In that case, I've got a few subreddits you'd probably hate.

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Nearby_Acanthaceae70 t1_irt6txi wrote

Did you read the article?

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Juggs_gotcha t1_irtvnfn wrote

Yeah. Seems pretty awful generally. My take on it is that people in the U.S. are so fucking numb to stuff like this that they don't understand why the Thai people would be so upset. We have helicopters and news crews outside schools covering the killings of innocents on the reg but these guys don't. they're like "what are these assholes doing, we're greiving here".

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notasrelevant t1_irufx9q wrote

The reporters entered the country on tourist visas, not media visas or any type of working visa.

They then broke into a crime scene without any permission.

So that in addition to this being maybe a much less common crime in the area in which people are still very shook up makes the whole thing a lot more messy and unprofessional.

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originalthoughts t1_iruhe5u wrote

When the war in Afghanistan started, for the first month, they showed pretty much a 24 hour live stream from the front line, as did every American news channel.

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SnakeDoctur t1_irv9ohh wrote

My money is on total, global ECONOMIC collapse leading to WW3

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Raalf t1_irt0fda wrote

The Thai monarchy does not appreciate being put in a bad light. This is an attempt by the journalists visiting on a tourist visa to not get put in prison.

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Juggs_gotcha t1_irtv5u7 wrote

Yep. With good reason, those dudes completely broke the law, as I understand it.

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Raalf t1_irtvog9 wrote

even if they had been within their visa rights, it still would have been a bad image for the monarchy, thus not allowed.

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Juggs_gotcha t1_irtvy53 wrote

Yeah, I've hear Thailand is not a good place to be jacking around in such a way as to put the King in a weird position publicly. You do some jail time for that stuff.

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denial_falls t1_irry3pw wrote

*Israeli occupation forces

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