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GrannyTurtle t1_iswmprc wrote

This is so sad. Sikhs are generally peaceful people but they get mistaken for Muslim Arabs because people can’t tell the difference between their headgear. It’s like mistaking a fedora for a cowboy hat.

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Hostillian t1_isx40bg wrote

Mistaken, until you've been to one of their parties. Stacks of cases of booze that reached 6ft off the floor.

(Been to a Sikh stag do)

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Number6isNo1 t1_isxpaeh wrote

There are sometimes giant Sikh weddings and events in the building where I work. They are a lot of guys that get hammered and there is always at least one fight. The fights are always the same, lol, two dudes start fighting, two huge groups form and get the two original guys apart, then there is a little yelling and everyone goes back to partying and throwing dollar bills.

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MrsPickerelGoes2Mars t1_isxqrea wrote

I guess we have different Sikhs up here, although we have tens of thousands of them I have never seen behaviour like this.

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Kagomefog t1_isxp7zo wrote

I read that after 9/11, after Sikhs were often the victims of hate crimes targeted at Muslims, they decided as a group to stand in solidarity with Muslims and not correct people if they were mistaken as them because that meant it was okay to attack Muslims but not Sikhs.

https://www.kcet.org/news-community/may-19th-project/sikhs-unite-with-muslims-against-white-supremacy

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kungpowchick_9 t1_isxvt8l wrote

That’s a brave and compassionate response. Thank you for sharing.

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GrannyTurtle t1_it16xzj wrote

Exactly! Sikhs see their duty as protecting others, so they would “turn the other cheek” when misidentified.

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MrsPickerelGoes2Mars t1_isxqjik wrote

We have zillions of them in Toronto. They're really good people. They all have to do community service on a regular basis, often by working in these kitchens that they have in their temples, where anyone can just walk in off the street and eat. Gosh they make our society so much better we are so happy to have them

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OssiansFolly t1_isxp5hf wrote

A large basis of their beliefs is actually on defending others. Much of what makes a Sikh standout (Five Ks and other garb) are reminders of this. I grew up with a Sikh temple on the corner of my street and in highschool my theology class assigned us to go out to a different religious ceremony and experience their traditions, worship, and speak with the community, so I spent some time at that temple. They were very welcoming, incredibly nice, and when I did my presentation to the class one of them came to school that day to show the class the articles of clothing and talk to the class about their faith. Since then I've always loved speaking to and meeting new Sikhs in my community.

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Sporkfoot t1_isz9f3h wrote

Good job idiot, you killed one of the few good ones

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MrRumfoord t1_iszp2y6 wrote

I think you replied to the wrong comment...

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Sporkfoot t1_isztpud wrote

Nope just commenting that this guy was probably actually a good cop based on what you said.

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MrRumfoord t1_it01xba wrote

Ah, I see. I assumed you meant to reply to the comment that said "In this case it seems like the dude just wanted to kill a cop."

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Furt_III t1_isxkyb7 wrote

In this case it seems like the dude just wanted to kill a cop.

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[deleted] t1_isyyxcr wrote

Doesn't seem that way to me. Even if so, it is a doubly bad look if you happen to kill the first and only cop of a particular ethnic/religious group. To me it reads of Islamophobia, as the guy could've killed any cop on any opportunity

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Furt_III t1_isz4iho wrote

Did you open the article?

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[deleted] t1_isz4m1x wrote

Yes I read the article. What in specific did you want to point out?

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Furt_III t1_iszb1k4 wrote

"I ain't going back to jail"

Was something he said before shooting him.

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[deleted] t1_iszdwto wrote

Sure but if that is the case it would make it seem as though the murderer wasn't just out to kill a cop either. But regardless I do not really trust what the snitch nor he has to say about the motive

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Furt_III t1_iszepw4 wrote

He also pointed at every cop in the room (literally and individually) and said he didn't like them.

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B01SSIN t1_isxrjl5 wrote

I love me some Sikhs, good people, generous in their help. Definitely a sad moment

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RationalLibraryCoins t1_isyp1pc wrote

It's almost as if people who are prejudice are also irrational and lack simple critical thinking abilities

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lmnjello t1_isxd2zg wrote

He didn’t say that at all. He means if there is someone out there that wants to do harm to Muslims Sikhs can often end up targets because the perpetrator doesn’t know the difference.

That doesn’t mean he condones violence against Muslims or makes any judgment about Muslims as a group.

Edit: I didn’t take it as a jab at Muslims but after reading it again I could see how it could be interpreted that way.

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MrRumfoord t1_iszrrk7 wrote

I can kind of see where /u/Vakulum is coming from. You could say, "This is sad because Sikhs are generally peaceful" and you can say, "This is sad/stupid because people who commit hate crimes against Sikhs are often actually targeting Muslim Arabs" and there's no ambiguity. But if you say, "Sikhs are generally peaceful people but they get mistaken for Muslim Arabs" it sounds a little like there's an unstated assertion that Muslims aren't generally peaceful.

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lmnjello t1_iszsezc wrote

I could see that. After reading it again it could be taken as “Sikhs are peaceful, unlike Arab Muslims”. I didn’t see it that way but I can see how it could come off that way, especially to Muslims.

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[deleted] t1_isxghmo wrote

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SpoppyIII t1_isxs5ng wrote

Living your life hunting for reasons to be upset, even if you feel righteous and even if you are correct in your position, is bad for you.

You don't need to assume a person is mean-spirited, ignorant, inconsiderate, stupid, or any combination of those traits just because it's technically possible to read and interpret something they wrote in a way that is unkind toward some entity or group.

Please stop stressing yourself out like this.

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FlyBird200 t1_isyagdg wrote

You are correct. This website is full of this same dog whistle whenever reddit talks about the Sikhs. People always comment that to imply Muslims may deserve the hate crimes but Sikhs do not.

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HorseshoeCrabForAHat t1_isx2xnp wrote

Sikhs are a peaceful people. Kick rocks

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turd_vinegar t1_isx4y9a wrote

It's true and ironic given the Sikh emblem is a throwing blade, on top of a sword, encompassed by two swords.

I know it's all symbolism, but it's objectively funny. At some point some fairly peaceful folks got together and wondered, "What's the best way to symbolize the sovereignty and strength of our people?" And some dude was like, "A sword!"

Everyone agreed this was good, but how do we represent the duality and intertwined aspects of our spirituality, faith, and resolve?

And some dude was like, "A sword facing the opposite direction!"

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newindianclassic t1_isxitko wrote

The level of sheer ignorance here is astounding. Read up on Sikh history instead of googling it and regurgitating the first page of results before you go off spouting nonsense.

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GrannyTurtle t1_it1626s wrote

Don’t put words in my mouth. It is the bigoted louts who make this mistake because THEY think Arabs are bad guys.

I have worked with Muslims from two continents and have nothing but respect and affection for them. (Not to mention the heavenly baklava he would bring back after his annual visit to his parents’ country!)

I also have known Sikhs and many people from other religions in my 6+ decades. I find them all fascinating. It saddens me that many people are so ignorant that they mistake vastly different cultures for each other.

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